Everyone haves a right to love. Straights can be happy and be able to live their life then why cant gays and lesbians? If it have NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, then why does it matter what others do?Im a female and am happily engaged to a female! What is people's problems with same-sex marriage?
I don't have a problem with it o.o if you wanna be happy, i say be happy. i mean it's the same life whether you spend it laughing or crying. I think the problem with some people is that...actually i don't really understand why some act the way they do, they're just being ignorant i guess, don't let them get to ya, just live your life and keep on smiling.Im a female and am happily engaged to a female! What is people's problems with same-sex marriage?
You're asking in the wrong place. I am 100% on your side and I hope all the world to you two. Things will be tough but you'll have each other and just know that the ignorance expressed by the uneducated, socially-corrupt, and intelligibly inept peoples of religion will be of no consequence if you just learn to live with their inferiority.
Congrats! I recently married my wife and we faced opposition from straights and LGBTQ people. It sucked. But we felt what we were doing was important for us and the legality of it meant little to us. Everyone who came knows that we are married and that is how we introduce ourselves to others.
The argument against gay marriage makes no sense so do not even try to figure it out.
this is for PD:::: What does what she think matter? PERHAPS she lives somewhere where homosexual marriage is illegal. How could it not matter?! And what family wants to raise children in an enviroment and world where there parents arn't looked at as equals like straight married couples? Your ignorance amazes me.
Now for a real answer.. Most people can't grasp the idea of something different to be honest. And of course the whole biblical aspect (or bullshit - whichever you'd like to refer it as :) )
It should be about love, not religion saying ';DIS IZ A ABOMINATION!!111';.
I'm happy you're happy, you have every right to be. %26lt;3
Just ignore them. A lot of homophobes are actually repressing their own homosexuality. Be glad you've come to terms with your sexual orientation and found love. You're enjoying life unlike the haters.
I agree with you.
I don't understand why people who are not affected by it care so much.
It's not like it affects them in any way.
Everyone should have the right to marry who they love. %26lt;3 %26lt;3
=)
you just think that people think bad about it..its the natural responses of regular person..anything beyond the norms are something that people talk..dont be bothered by it anyway live ur life as u like it
I'm straight and I am for gay marriage, it's about the basic right of equality, either everyone should be able to get married or no one should.
Because in this case Politically Correct is Biblically Incorrect. Most people object for religious reasons. Why does what they think matter to you? (In other words, ignore them.)
Yeah you are right. Im straight, but some lesbians(not all) act very un-decent in front of people. And besides if they dont want no body looking at them like they are freaks, then act normal.
i want everyone else
to be more miserable than me
Rock on! My best friend is a woman and she and her fiancee are happy together. They're both bi. =D
Because they're selfish and nosy. It's none of their business.
Good point. I follow your logic. Too bad more (or all others) don't reason in a similar way, I think.
thats what ive been trying to figure out.......... :(
Tuesday, August 24, 2010
Will legalising gay marriage turn anyone who is heterosexual into a gay person?
If not, what's your problem?Will legalising gay marriage turn anyone who is heterosexual into a gay person?
I find it endlessly amusing to read comments from fundies who seem to think that if homosexuality isn't actively suppressed, everyone will turn gay, as if homosexuality is much more appealing. They're giving away their hidden orientation.
Will legalising gay marriage turn anyone who is heterosexual into a gay person?
I'm glad you asked this because although i have been happily married to my wife for 25 years i found that lately i have started having gay tendencies. It really all started when the law was changed and allowed gay marriage. Before the law was changed i had absolutely no interest in being a gay, but since it was changed i have been listening to Dusty Springfield albums, watching Musicals and wearing leather trousers. I have even been tempted to grow one of those moustaches that grow down either side of the mouth and reach my chin. My hands seem to have a life of their own with one constantly finding its way on to my hip whilst they other just seems to limp heavily at the wrist.
Personally i blame the government Ducky! and Gordon Brown should change the law immediately before i scratch his eyes out!!
Just in case they dont change the law does anyone know where i can go to learn how to be a proper gay? Perhaps GC knows? (see below)
Yeah, isn't it enough that we're (supposedly) going to hell? You have to deny me the pleasure and right of marrying the woman I love? Honestly, I'm not trying to get married in a church or anything. I promised to marry Lillie and I want to keep my promise, that's all.
Yeah, in the same inexplicable way that legalizing interracial marriage made everyone in the country suddenly attracted only to people of different races.
DEVIL WORSHIPER!!!!!!!!!1!!!111!!1!!!!!!one!!!鈥?br>
No but honestly, churches have no business telling me who i can or cant marry, and since im bisexual, thats exactly what Focus on the Family and the LDS church is doing.
Nope. Gay marriage doesn't harm my straight marriage one bit and it can't ';turn anyone gay.'; But it does grant equal civil rights to deserving citizens. That is why I support gay marriage.
Will not allowing gay marriage make the gays go straight?
Ask a dumb question and get a dumb response.
There are heterosexual marriages and I'm still gay...
if you're gay then you're gay, it's not really a choice
no,and I don't have a problem
Yes, hope this answers the question. ;-)
no
I understand that some may find this a difficult concept to understand, so I'll type slowly:
Marriage... involves... one... man... and... one... woman.
Now to try another hugely difficult concept for some to grasp:
Any... relationship... which... does... not... involve... one... man... and... one... woman... cannot... be... a... marriage.
Diagrams and further technical specs are available on request for those who are still confused about it all.
Next we'll have vegans ';marrying'; their pet goldfish and car lovers ';marrying'; their old bangers.
Sheesh!
So, what's YOUR problem?
Afraid that refusing to legalise ';gay'; marriage will turn homosexuals in to heterosexuals?
I mean, if we're gonna make a few straw men let's do it properly, shall we?
as my son in law say's, God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
God does not condone gay marriages but goes against it
Genesis1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Matt 19:4 Mark 10:6
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth
does not say anything about same sex marriages
We are born with the fear of a loud noise and the fear of falling. All else is a learned response. If learned, it can be unlearned.
I find it endlessly amusing to read comments from fundies who seem to think that if homosexuality isn't actively suppressed, everyone will turn gay, as if homosexuality is much more appealing. They're giving away their hidden orientation.
Will legalising gay marriage turn anyone who is heterosexual into a gay person?
I'm glad you asked this because although i have been happily married to my wife for 25 years i found that lately i have started having gay tendencies. It really all started when the law was changed and allowed gay marriage. Before the law was changed i had absolutely no interest in being a gay, but since it was changed i have been listening to Dusty Springfield albums, watching Musicals and wearing leather trousers. I have even been tempted to grow one of those moustaches that grow down either side of the mouth and reach my chin. My hands seem to have a life of their own with one constantly finding its way on to my hip whilst they other just seems to limp heavily at the wrist.
Personally i blame the government Ducky! and Gordon Brown should change the law immediately before i scratch his eyes out!!
Just in case they dont change the law does anyone know where i can go to learn how to be a proper gay? Perhaps GC knows? (see below)
Yeah, isn't it enough that we're (supposedly) going to hell? You have to deny me the pleasure and right of marrying the woman I love? Honestly, I'm not trying to get married in a church or anything. I promised to marry Lillie and I want to keep my promise, that's all.
Yeah, in the same inexplicable way that legalizing interracial marriage made everyone in the country suddenly attracted only to people of different races.
DEVIL WORSHIPER!!!!!!!!!1!!!111!!1!!!!!!one!!!鈥?br>
No but honestly, churches have no business telling me who i can or cant marry, and since im bisexual, thats exactly what Focus on the Family and the LDS church is doing.
Nope. Gay marriage doesn't harm my straight marriage one bit and it can't ';turn anyone gay.'; But it does grant equal civil rights to deserving citizens. That is why I support gay marriage.
Will not allowing gay marriage make the gays go straight?
Ask a dumb question and get a dumb response.
There are heterosexual marriages and I'm still gay...
if you're gay then you're gay, it's not really a choice
no,and I don't have a problem
Yes, hope this answers the question. ;-)
no
I understand that some may find this a difficult concept to understand, so I'll type slowly:
Marriage... involves... one... man... and... one... woman.
Now to try another hugely difficult concept for some to grasp:
Any... relationship... which... does... not... involve... one... man... and... one... woman... cannot... be... a... marriage.
Diagrams and further technical specs are available on request for those who are still confused about it all.
Next we'll have vegans ';marrying'; their pet goldfish and car lovers ';marrying'; their old bangers.
Sheesh!
So, what's YOUR problem?
Afraid that refusing to legalise ';gay'; marriage will turn homosexuals in to heterosexuals?
I mean, if we're gonna make a few straw men let's do it properly, shall we?
as my son in law say's, God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
God does not condone gay marriages but goes against it
Genesis1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Matt 19:4 Mark 10:6
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth
does not say anything about same sex marriages
We are born with the fear of a loud noise and the fear of falling. All else is a learned response. If learned, it can be unlearned.
Should INS be able to deport the gay immigrant spouse of a US citizen in states allowing gay marriage?
I know a woman from Lithuania whose visa is going to expire and works in Boston, MA
but she is in process of marrying a soil+blood citizen of MA who is another woman.
Now gay marriage is legal in MA
but because of DOMA the federal govt does not recognize any gay marriage
So since INS is a federal agency...would they say that the spousal rights of the citizen are null+void?
or does the legal State marriage count to grant the immigrant a green card due to the marriage?Should INS be able to deport the gay immigrant spouse of a US citizen in states allowing gay marriage?
INS no longer exists. It was decommissioned on March 1, 2003. The new agency that handles immigration matters such as the one you're talking about is called CIS, Citizenship %26amp; Immigration Services.
This new agency does not have Deportation Officers as did INS. Now deportation procedures are the responsibility of ICE, Immigration %26amp; Customs Enforcement.
CIS will not deport a gay immigrant spouse of a U.S. citizen. However, they will deny any application designed to make the alien spouse a permanent resident.
ICE has the job of arresting illegal aliens. When they arrest an illegal alien, that alien normally is given a Notice to Appear before an Immigration Judge. It is the job of the Immigration Judge to order aliens deported, not ICE, and not CIS.Should INS be able to deport the gay immigrant spouse of a US citizen in states allowing gay marriage?
They wouldn't try to deport her, but her chances of staying in the USA solely based on a gay marriage in Massachusetts will not be sufficient enough. While Massachusetts is suing the federal government over DOMA, your friend and partner will have to seek the assistance of your state's federal congressmen.
Rep. Barney Frank who is openly gay and represents Massachusetts has introduced legislation called ';The Uniting American Families Act'; (UAFA) that will allow the partners/spouses of gay American citizens to live and work in the U.S. You should visit your federal representative and your federal senators, Edward Kennedy and John Kerry, and seek their assistance in fighting for your partner's right to stay in the U.S. Don't give up because this is a cause worth fighting for.
YES The Federal dept of immigration (now called CIS - NOT INS) can deport anyone who does not qualify to immigrate.
gay marriages are NOT recognised by the federal givernment.
She cannot apply as a family.
she SHOULD have applied for a work permit and gotten the GC that way - the employer sponsors her.
Legally...yes. The CIS is a federal agency. Only until gay marriage is recognized at a federal level will this not be okay.
Morally, that is a horrible practice and the INS should not be able to deport the gay immigrant spouse of a US citizen.
Such a complicate judicial case and worthy of future follow up.
My advice would be to get an immigration attorney who's familiar with LGBT issues plus the local chapter of HRC.
Best wishes!
Fed overrules State .. she cannot adjust status with a gay marriage
but the marriage is valid in-state
The ';marriage'; is not valid for immigration purposes.
they have to accept that she is legally married
but she is in process of marrying a soil+blood citizen of MA who is another woman.
Now gay marriage is legal in MA
but because of DOMA the federal govt does not recognize any gay marriage
So since INS is a federal agency...would they say that the spousal rights of the citizen are null+void?
or does the legal State marriage count to grant the immigrant a green card due to the marriage?Should INS be able to deport the gay immigrant spouse of a US citizen in states allowing gay marriage?
INS no longer exists. It was decommissioned on March 1, 2003. The new agency that handles immigration matters such as the one you're talking about is called CIS, Citizenship %26amp; Immigration Services.
This new agency does not have Deportation Officers as did INS. Now deportation procedures are the responsibility of ICE, Immigration %26amp; Customs Enforcement.
CIS will not deport a gay immigrant spouse of a U.S. citizen. However, they will deny any application designed to make the alien spouse a permanent resident.
ICE has the job of arresting illegal aliens. When they arrest an illegal alien, that alien normally is given a Notice to Appear before an Immigration Judge. It is the job of the Immigration Judge to order aliens deported, not ICE, and not CIS.Should INS be able to deport the gay immigrant spouse of a US citizen in states allowing gay marriage?
They wouldn't try to deport her, but her chances of staying in the USA solely based on a gay marriage in Massachusetts will not be sufficient enough. While Massachusetts is suing the federal government over DOMA, your friend and partner will have to seek the assistance of your state's federal congressmen.
Rep. Barney Frank who is openly gay and represents Massachusetts has introduced legislation called ';The Uniting American Families Act'; (UAFA) that will allow the partners/spouses of gay American citizens to live and work in the U.S. You should visit your federal representative and your federal senators, Edward Kennedy and John Kerry, and seek their assistance in fighting for your partner's right to stay in the U.S. Don't give up because this is a cause worth fighting for.
YES The Federal dept of immigration (now called CIS - NOT INS) can deport anyone who does not qualify to immigrate.
gay marriages are NOT recognised by the federal givernment.
She cannot apply as a family.
she SHOULD have applied for a work permit and gotten the GC that way - the employer sponsors her.
Legally...yes. The CIS is a federal agency. Only until gay marriage is recognized at a federal level will this not be okay.
Morally, that is a horrible practice and the INS should not be able to deport the gay immigrant spouse of a US citizen.
Such a complicate judicial case and worthy of future follow up.
My advice would be to get an immigration attorney who's familiar with LGBT issues plus the local chapter of HRC.
Best wishes!
Fed overrules State .. she cannot adjust status with a gay marriage
but the marriage is valid in-state
The ';marriage'; is not valid for immigration purposes.
they have to accept that she is legally married
Is a Muslim Marriage legal in Australia?
My colleague is getting married to an Australian Convert in Singapore which will be registered with Registrar of Muslim Marriages. They are concerned if their Muslim Marriage Certificate is recognised in Australia. They are planning to get married again in Australia using a marriage celebrant if it is not. Any ideas if the Muslim Marriage Certificate is recognised in Australia? Especially if they decide to migrate there in the future? Appreciate your help!! She's my bestie!Is a Muslim Marriage legal in Australia?
Yes it will be recognised but they need to advise the Australian Embassy and give them a copy of their marriage book. When they are married they will each be issued a book, the brown one is for the Husband and the green is for the wife.
After that they can apply for a spouse visa to enter Australia which will be valid for 2 years.
If they live in Aussie for 2 years straight the non resident can apply for residency.Is a Muslim Marriage legal in Australia?
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/CA2574F700805DE7/page/Marriages-Overseas+weddings?OpenDocument%26amp;1=20-Marriages~%26amp;2=40-Overseas+weddings~%26amp;3=~
While a marriage that occurs overseas cannot be registered in Australia, an overseas marriage will generally be recognised - see above.
Yes it will be recognised but they need to advise the Australian Embassy and give them a copy of their marriage book. When they are married they will each be issued a book, the brown one is for the Husband and the green is for the wife.
After that they can apply for a spouse visa to enter Australia which will be valid for 2 years.
If they live in Aussie for 2 years straight the non resident can apply for residency.Is a Muslim Marriage legal in Australia?
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/CA2574F700805DE7/page/Marriages-Overseas+weddings?OpenDocument%26amp;1=20-Marriages~%26amp;2=40-Overseas+weddings~%26amp;3=~
While a marriage that occurs overseas cannot be registered in Australia, an overseas marriage will generally be recognised - see above.
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Why do so many people settle when it comes to marriage?
I just answered a question a while ago by someone who wanted to know if the ';butterflies'; always fade. It seems that for many of you it does. So why get married?
I mean, I was told that I should wait for the special someone who I just can't get enough of and if it is real, it will be that way for years!
That is why I have never married.
What gives here?
Do I have to settle?Why do so many people settle when it comes to marriage?
Real life happens - having to go through problems and solve problems together, raise kids, pay bills, go through sicknesses, worry about aging parents...but the GOOD news is, you can ALWAYS make the butterflies always come back.
It's not ';settling'; if you marry your best friend and lover. You can weather life's storms together and still have toe-curling sex !Why do so many people settle when it comes to marriage?
I got married because I love my wife. However, I apparently use a different definition of love than you do, because the one I use does not contain the word ';butterflies'; anywhere within it:
Love is patient and is kind; love doesn't envy. Love doesn't brag, is not proud, doesn't behave itself inappropriately, doesn't seek its own way, is not provoked, takes no account of evil; doesn't rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
You find someone you like to be with -- to shop with, eat with, hang with, have some stuff in common with, that makes you laugh...
Someone who's CRAZY family you can tolerate and can do the same for yours.
Someone who you can to hold and be held by.
Someone you can fight and make-up with... and who's gross habits you can ignore.
Someone who you can be quiet with and someone who'll leave you the hell alone from time to time.
Then you toss a coin and tie the knot.
And yes, the grind of REAL LIFE eventually gets to you. It is real life, after all. And marriage is hard work. You either choose to stay for the hard stuff or you don't.
That's not to say it's NOT fun. You take the good with the bad -- like everything.
Best to you, Sweetie!!!
xoxo
EDIT: How long is it until that feeling wears off and you start to look for it again? That sounds like something entirely different than you're asking about re: marriage.
Have you seen a therapist about it?
Because the ';perfect'; person doesn't exist. If you spend your life waiting for some Hollywood type BS romance to sweep you off your feet, chances are you will end up alone. Not to mention the older you get, the more shallow the dating pool gets. Most people will grab on to a decent person in their mid 20s as by the time you are in your mid 30s, all that is left are divorced people with baggage, nut cases, and baby mommas!
Now ask yourself, who really ';settled';?
Butterflies change in the cycle of life just like everything else. They are a stepping stone to another phase in the relationship. If you guide it properly, and work with it well, you will experience a bond of true love and mutual fulfillment. Like your best friends, this bond if developed correctly will last for eternity.
I've only been married 3 years. My butterflies haven't faded. I am always happy to see him when we get off work. I love spending time together.
You don't know that it will take years. It might be the next person that you meet. For me it happened by accident. I started doing things I enjoyed, and thats how I met him. I was 95% I would never get married. I'm glad I was wrong.
Even in marriages the butterflies STOP but that doesn't mean the love and respect and honoring of vows does. NO relationship is perfect and you should expect drama but the love and respect can withstand any relationship drama especially if both you and hubby are on the same page.
Of course the lust fades but the love grows stronger. You are describing lust ';butterflies';.
If you don't know what love is I am glad you haven't gotten married.
Most people ';settle';, because they don't know themselves well enough to decide what it is they really want/need in their spouse.
SCARED couldnt have said it any better!!!
Happy-2 hit the nail on the head. Love is action as described in 1Cor.makeup counter
I mean, I was told that I should wait for the special someone who I just can't get enough of and if it is real, it will be that way for years!
That is why I have never married.
What gives here?
Do I have to settle?Why do so many people settle when it comes to marriage?
Real life happens - having to go through problems and solve problems together, raise kids, pay bills, go through sicknesses, worry about aging parents...but the GOOD news is, you can ALWAYS make the butterflies always come back.
It's not ';settling'; if you marry your best friend and lover. You can weather life's storms together and still have toe-curling sex !Why do so many people settle when it comes to marriage?
I got married because I love my wife. However, I apparently use a different definition of love than you do, because the one I use does not contain the word ';butterflies'; anywhere within it:
Love is patient and is kind; love doesn't envy. Love doesn't brag, is not proud, doesn't behave itself inappropriately, doesn't seek its own way, is not provoked, takes no account of evil; doesn't rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
You find someone you like to be with -- to shop with, eat with, hang with, have some stuff in common with, that makes you laugh...
Someone who's CRAZY family you can tolerate and can do the same for yours.
Someone who you can to hold and be held by.
Someone you can fight and make-up with... and who's gross habits you can ignore.
Someone who you can be quiet with and someone who'll leave you the hell alone from time to time.
Then you toss a coin and tie the knot.
And yes, the grind of REAL LIFE eventually gets to you. It is real life, after all. And marriage is hard work. You either choose to stay for the hard stuff or you don't.
That's not to say it's NOT fun. You take the good with the bad -- like everything.
Best to you, Sweetie!!!
xoxo
EDIT: How long is it until that feeling wears off and you start to look for it again? That sounds like something entirely different than you're asking about re: marriage.
Have you seen a therapist about it?
Because the ';perfect'; person doesn't exist. If you spend your life waiting for some Hollywood type BS romance to sweep you off your feet, chances are you will end up alone. Not to mention the older you get, the more shallow the dating pool gets. Most people will grab on to a decent person in their mid 20s as by the time you are in your mid 30s, all that is left are divorced people with baggage, nut cases, and baby mommas!
Now ask yourself, who really ';settled';?
Butterflies change in the cycle of life just like everything else. They are a stepping stone to another phase in the relationship. If you guide it properly, and work with it well, you will experience a bond of true love and mutual fulfillment. Like your best friends, this bond if developed correctly will last for eternity.
I've only been married 3 years. My butterflies haven't faded. I am always happy to see him when we get off work. I love spending time together.
You don't know that it will take years. It might be the next person that you meet. For me it happened by accident. I started doing things I enjoyed, and thats how I met him. I was 95% I would never get married. I'm glad I was wrong.
Even in marriages the butterflies STOP but that doesn't mean the love and respect and honoring of vows does. NO relationship is perfect and you should expect drama but the love and respect can withstand any relationship drama especially if both you and hubby are on the same page.
Of course the lust fades but the love grows stronger. You are describing lust ';butterflies';.
If you don't know what love is I am glad you haven't gotten married.
Most people ';settle';, because they don't know themselves well enough to decide what it is they really want/need in their spouse.
SCARED couldnt have said it any better!!!
Happy-2 hit the nail on the head. Love is action as described in 1Cor.
What percent voter support does Prop 8 (ban on gay marriage) need to pass in California?
Is it like amendment 2 in Florida which requires 60% of the vote?What percent voter support does Prop 8 (ban on gay marriage) need to pass in California?
What percent voter support does Prop 8 (ban on gay marriage) need to pass in California?
The larger percentage of the outcome wins.
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Here's the website with the latest updates:
[CBS2 - PROPOSITION 8-SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BAN http://elections.cbslocal.com/cbs/kcbs/2… ]
Just keep refreshing the web page and you will see the latest results.
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PROPOSITION 8-SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BAN
Total Reporting:94%
Name Votes Pct.
YES 5,125,752 52%
NO 4,725,313 48%
LAST UPDATE: Nov-05-2008, 06:54 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Check updates here:
[CBS2 - PROPOSITION 8-SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BAN http://elections.cbslocal.com/cbs/kcbs/2… ]
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GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!What percent voter support does Prop 8 (ban on gay marriage) need to pass in California?
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politi…
We needed 50% plus 1 vote.
It needed a majority and it got it. OK, the girl above me that said it doesn't matter, how can you say that, it affects people's rights. This is why people think america is stupid.
This question was asked on another thread
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081019165131AAFde3g
and I believe the answer was correct it does need a simple majority.
I hope that Prop 8 doesn't pass. It's at 54% for it passign though right now :(
Why do people CARE?! Let gay people marry who they love.
surely there are better things to worry about than gay marriage. let it pass. it takes nothing away from you.
What percent voter support does Prop 8 (ban on gay marriage) need to pass in California?
The larger percentage of the outcome wins.
--------------------------------------…
Here's the website with the latest updates:
[CBS2 - PROPOSITION 8-SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BAN http://elections.cbslocal.com/cbs/kcbs/2… ]
Just keep refreshing the web page and you will see the latest results.
--------------------------------------…
PROPOSITION 8-SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BAN
Total Reporting:94%
Name Votes Pct.
YES 5,125,752 52%
NO 4,725,313 48%
LAST UPDATE: Nov-05-2008, 06:54 AM Pacific Standard Time
--------------------------------------…
Check updates here:
[CBS2 - PROPOSITION 8-SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BAN http://elections.cbslocal.com/cbs/kcbs/2… ]
--------------------------------------…
GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!What percent voter support does Prop 8 (ban on gay marriage) need to pass in California?
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politi…
We needed 50% plus 1 vote.
It needed a majority and it got it. OK, the girl above me that said it doesn't matter, how can you say that, it affects people's rights. This is why people think america is stupid.
This question was asked on another thread
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081019165131AAFde3g
and I believe the answer was correct it does need a simple majority.
I hope that Prop 8 doesn't pass. It's at 54% for it passign though right now :(
Why do people CARE?! Let gay people marry who they love.
surely there are better things to worry about than gay marriage. let it pass. it takes nothing away from you.
What percent voter support does Prop 8 (ban on gay marriage) need to pass in California?
Is it like amendment 2 in Florida which requires 60% of the vote?What percent voter support does Prop 8 (ban on gay marriage) need to pass in California?
What percent voter support does Prop 8 (ban on gay marriage) need to pass in California?
The larger percentage of the outcome wins.
--------------------------------------…
Here's the website with the latest updates:
[CBS2 - PROPOSITION 8-SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BAN http://elections.cbslocal.com/cbs/kcbs/2… ]
Just keep refreshing the web page and you will see the latest results.
--------------------------------------…
PROPOSITION 8-SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BAN
Total Reporting:94%
Name Votes Pct.
YES 5,125,752 52%
NO 4,725,313 48%
LAST UPDATE: Nov-05-2008, 06:54 AM Pacific Standard Time
--------------------------------------…
Check updates here:
[CBS2 - PROPOSITION 8-SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BAN http://elections.cbslocal.com/cbs/kcbs/2… ]
--------------------------------------…
GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!What percent voter support does Prop 8 (ban on gay marriage) need to pass in California?
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politi…
We needed 50% plus 1 vote.
It needed a majority and it got it. OK, the girl above me that said it doesn't matter, how can you say that, it affects people's rights. This is why people think america is stupid.
This question was asked on another thread
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081019165131AAFde3g
and I believe the answer was correct it does need a simple majority.
I hope that Prop 8 doesn't pass. It's at 54% for it passign though right now :(
Why do people CARE?! Let gay people marry who they love.
surely there are better things to worry about than gay marriage. let it pass. it takes nothing away from you.
What percent voter support does Prop 8 (ban on gay marriage) need to pass in California?
The larger percentage of the outcome wins.
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GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!What percent voter support does Prop 8 (ban on gay marriage) need to pass in California?
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politi…
We needed 50% plus 1 vote.
It needed a majority and it got it. OK, the girl above me that said it doesn't matter, how can you say that, it affects people's rights. This is why people think america is stupid.
This question was asked on another thread
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081019165131AAFde3g
and I believe the answer was correct it does need a simple majority.
I hope that Prop 8 doesn't pass. It's at 54% for it passign though right now :(
Why do people CARE?! Let gay people marry who they love.
surely there are better things to worry about than gay marriage. let it pass. it takes nothing away from you.
Is the gay marriage issue similar to the history of racial discrimination in this country?
Gay marriage is often criticized because the defintion of ';marriage'; supposedly isn't inclusive of homosexual unions. Isn't this similar to blacks not being defined as true human beings in the past (l'm thinking of the Three-fifths clause)?Is the gay marriage issue similar to the history of racial discrimination in this country?
Let me first start off by saying I do not agree with gay marriage at all!!! I am a straight Black Christian. That being said,your question is 100% VALID. And here's why. At some point in the last 400years a white man(the only ones with any power)had to ask another white man, ';How does this Black Man becoming free hurt your freedom in any way?'; Much the way I will ask the Christian nay-sayers here. HOW DOES ALLOWING 2 GAY MEN OR WOMEN TO MARRY AFFECT YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD, OR WITH YOUR HUSBAND OR WIFE? (please be as specific as possible without being graphic) The argument that God doesn't like it really DOESN'T hold water. God said he gives his people free will,which by making this law we have stripped. I just have a problem when the imperfect human gets to decide which laws of the Bible we will make State%26amp;Fed laws %26amp; which we won't. What about ban on Divorce since God also doesn't care for that much. Or how about infedelity, that's shunned or pre-marital sex. I got the solution, lets make all of it illegal that way the Christians get a Bible based society, we can levy fines against the new law breakers thus no tax hikes, EVER. And gay people will get some form retrobution watching millions of people formally against them being arrested%26amp;fined just for living their lives. OR, we can just not make any of them laws%26amp;let people be ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS.Is the gay marriage issue similar to the history of racial discrimination in this country?
Hayek.. Absolutely not. Those promoting and supporting gay marriage want to place that image in the general public mind though . I can assure you of that. All that video footage of African American protesters being sprayed with fire hoses in the 60s. They try very hard to draw a correlation between them. When in reality the two are not even remotely connected. One is a matter of discrimination against a race of people the other is a matter of a perverted choice being made by a group of confused individuals.
No - it's not the same. The race issue is one thing.
Gays wanting to get married is a personal issue - and if not for the uptight extreme Christians and their ';morality'; nobody would give a heck who got married. What's the big deal?
Marriage has a lot of other things, which are rights, attached to it.
People who strongly disagree with Gays having any rights will say ';no, it is not similar to race at all';
People who want some equality and peace in their world will say ';Yes, it is a civil rights issue that we should look at';
You decide.
They aren't saying that gays aren't human beings. It is perfectly legal for gays to have civil unions. They have access to attorneys to draft wills, POA, medical directives, etc.
It is precisely the same. The same kinds of biblical/religious arguments now made against same-sex marriage were also made against interracial marriage. Miscegenation laws existed in this country as recently as 40 years ago.
No. Also, I am insulted everytime a spokesperson makes that rediculous claim.
Not to mention, sex is something that is personal, private, and intimate. How does one compare sex to ethnicity?
Yes, both are examples of denying someone basic rights because of something a person can't control and instances of sects of the majority deeming others as inferior to themselves.
People who are intelligent and empathetic enough to realize that sexual orientation is not chosen will support gay marriage as they support blacks being able to marry who they choose.
It's very similar. People who are against gay marriage are usually bigots or brainwashed by their church.
it may not be a race issue, but it sure as hell seems the same way. Just like african americans wanted rights, gays want rights. they are people too.
Of course it is. The common thread is people not being treated equally because of so-called morality.
Yes. Absolutely.
No it's comparing apples with oranges
No way, no how.
No
no
No, not at all. Gay people are not an ethnic group.
No,not even close.
Let me first start off by saying I do not agree with gay marriage at all!!! I am a straight Black Christian. That being said,your question is 100% VALID. And here's why. At some point in the last 400years a white man(the only ones with any power)had to ask another white man, ';How does this Black Man becoming free hurt your freedom in any way?'; Much the way I will ask the Christian nay-sayers here. HOW DOES ALLOWING 2 GAY MEN OR WOMEN TO MARRY AFFECT YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD, OR WITH YOUR HUSBAND OR WIFE? (please be as specific as possible without being graphic) The argument that God doesn't like it really DOESN'T hold water. God said he gives his people free will,which by making this law we have stripped. I just have a problem when the imperfect human gets to decide which laws of the Bible we will make State%26amp;Fed laws %26amp; which we won't. What about ban on Divorce since God also doesn't care for that much. Or how about infedelity, that's shunned or pre-marital sex. I got the solution, lets make all of it illegal that way the Christians get a Bible based society, we can levy fines against the new law breakers thus no tax hikes, EVER. And gay people will get some form retrobution watching millions of people formally against them being arrested%26amp;fined just for living their lives. OR, we can just not make any of them laws%26amp;let people be ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS.Is the gay marriage issue similar to the history of racial discrimination in this country?
Hayek.. Absolutely not. Those promoting and supporting gay marriage want to place that image in the general public mind though . I can assure you of that. All that video footage of African American protesters being sprayed with fire hoses in the 60s. They try very hard to draw a correlation between them. When in reality the two are not even remotely connected. One is a matter of discrimination against a race of people the other is a matter of a perverted choice being made by a group of confused individuals.
No - it's not the same. The race issue is one thing.
Gays wanting to get married is a personal issue - and if not for the uptight extreme Christians and their ';morality'; nobody would give a heck who got married. What's the big deal?
Marriage has a lot of other things, which are rights, attached to it.
People who strongly disagree with Gays having any rights will say ';no, it is not similar to race at all';
People who want some equality and peace in their world will say ';Yes, it is a civil rights issue that we should look at';
You decide.
They aren't saying that gays aren't human beings. It is perfectly legal for gays to have civil unions. They have access to attorneys to draft wills, POA, medical directives, etc.
It is precisely the same. The same kinds of biblical/religious arguments now made against same-sex marriage were also made against interracial marriage. Miscegenation laws existed in this country as recently as 40 years ago.
No. Also, I am insulted everytime a spokesperson makes that rediculous claim.
Not to mention, sex is something that is personal, private, and intimate. How does one compare sex to ethnicity?
Yes, both are examples of denying someone basic rights because of something a person can't control and instances of sects of the majority deeming others as inferior to themselves.
People who are intelligent and empathetic enough to realize that sexual orientation is not chosen will support gay marriage as they support blacks being able to marry who they choose.
It's very similar. People who are against gay marriage are usually bigots or brainwashed by their church.
it may not be a race issue, but it sure as hell seems the same way. Just like african americans wanted rights, gays want rights. they are people too.
Of course it is. The common thread is people not being treated equally because of so-called morality.
Yes. Absolutely.
No it's comparing apples with oranges
No way, no how.
No
no
No, not at all. Gay people are not an ethnic group.
No,not even close.
Filing for a marriage license before divorce is final?
My fiancee and her soon-to-be ex have been separated for some time, and she and I have been together for a good while. We plan to marry, and her divorce is filed and she is awaiting finalization. For obvious romantic reasons and the practicality of adding her to my insurance, we want to get married as soon as possible. With most places wanting 30 days prior to the wedding date to process a license application, is there anything that would impair applying for the license before her divorce is final?Filing for a marriage license before divorce is final?
To apply for a marriage license, you need to prove the divorce with the divorce certificate (or decree)... so no, you can't apply until the divorce is final. Plus, usually when the divorce is granted, there is a 30+1 day period until the divorce is actually final. Until the day it is final, she can't apply to get married again.Filing for a marriage license before divorce is final?
I wouldn't file for the license until the divorce is final for one major reason. Sometimes divorces can be dragged out. Sometimes courtdates and such can be reschedualed and marraige liscenses are only good for a limited amount of time. If you file for the license before the divorce is final you could have to refile. Its always better to wait til one thing is finished before starting another. Also on your marriage license you will have to list the date the divorce was final so you can't really get one until you know that date. good luck!
I agree, do not file for the license until the divorce is 100% final. No matter if its an uncontested divorce or not, things can always happen to slow things down. If you get your marriage license and the divorce is not final it will expire and be a waste of time.
Some states may not even allow you to get a license until the divorce is final. Best for all involved to wait until things are legal then move on.
NO you can not - you will have to wait for the final divorce papers. Technically until the final papers are signed and filed, you are still married to that person - and if you apply for another license and marry before that is done, its illegal and you can be jailed for bigamy.
I suppose it depends on what the judge says. Some, say one can't remarry for a certain length of time. Once I was told I couldn't remarry for 6 months. This blew me away, but they can do this.
I'm not sure this will be in her finalization or not. But if not, I don't see a problem with filing for a marriage license. Ask your local Court house
It has to be final.Next if she will cheat on her ex with you, she WILL cheat on you.Next how long have you actually dated this girl?
Have you heard her husband's side of the story I bet she is not the angel shemakes herself out to be.Date a yr or so before you make a mistake son.
what's the hurry~? is anyone dying.. if it's the case just make a will...
adding to your insurance and practicalities is no good reason to get married so fast... i think something is wrong...
divorces cost money!! and a lot of heartbreak... do things PROPERLY!!
Is she pregnant? Why the rush?
whoa, slow down, romeo.
To apply for a marriage license, you need to prove the divorce with the divorce certificate (or decree)... so no, you can't apply until the divorce is final. Plus, usually when the divorce is granted, there is a 30+1 day period until the divorce is actually final. Until the day it is final, she can't apply to get married again.Filing for a marriage license before divorce is final?
I wouldn't file for the license until the divorce is final for one major reason. Sometimes divorces can be dragged out. Sometimes courtdates and such can be reschedualed and marraige liscenses are only good for a limited amount of time. If you file for the license before the divorce is final you could have to refile. Its always better to wait til one thing is finished before starting another. Also on your marriage license you will have to list the date the divorce was final so you can't really get one until you know that date. good luck!
I agree, do not file for the license until the divorce is 100% final. No matter if its an uncontested divorce or not, things can always happen to slow things down. If you get your marriage license and the divorce is not final it will expire and be a waste of time.
Some states may not even allow you to get a license until the divorce is final. Best for all involved to wait until things are legal then move on.
NO you can not - you will have to wait for the final divorce papers. Technically until the final papers are signed and filed, you are still married to that person - and if you apply for another license and marry before that is done, its illegal and you can be jailed for bigamy.
I suppose it depends on what the judge says. Some, say one can't remarry for a certain length of time. Once I was told I couldn't remarry for 6 months. This blew me away, but they can do this.
I'm not sure this will be in her finalization or not. But if not, I don't see a problem with filing for a marriage license. Ask your local Court house
It has to be final.Next if she will cheat on her ex with you, she WILL cheat on you.Next how long have you actually dated this girl?
Have you heard her husband's side of the story I bet she is not the angel shemakes herself out to be.Date a yr or so before you make a mistake son.
what's the hurry~? is anyone dying.. if it's the case just make a will...
adding to your insurance and practicalities is no good reason to get married so fast... i think something is wrong...
divorces cost money!! and a lot of heartbreak... do things PROPERLY!!
Is she pregnant? Why the rush?
whoa, slow down, romeo.
Since when has marriage been strictly associated with Christianity?
To those who are saying that marriage is strictly between a man and a woman because it is declared in biblical text, where do you gain the information that marriage was ever fully religious? If anything, old time marriages were far from a religious ordeal - but rather a business deal.
The term ';marriage'; first occurred in Rome, and this term was applied towards same-sex couples as well, until the year 342 where same-sex marriage was declared illegal by Christian emperors.
Now, since the term ';marriage'; itself does not apply strictly to Christianity, or religion itself - then what other reasons do you feel homosexuals should not be able to marry?
If you give the same rights, then you can apply the same term to the couple as well. Marriage is supposed to be a commitment, why refuse to let others show their commitment and love to another - despite their sexual preference? I see no valid reason to deny anyone those rights.
Thank you for your answers.Since when has marriage been strictly associated with Christianity?
Agreed.
I was thinking about this one day.
Basically, by Christians saying it is a union between a man and a woman by THEIR book, they are saying ONLY CHRISTIANS CAN GET MARRIED!
What about all other religions and non religious people?
REGARDLESS of where marriage first came from, it is NOT just a religious or Christian ceremony.
It is ONLY religious when it is /performed by a priest in a church/
(Not saying that you cannot have a religious ceremony outside. That is not what I mean.)
Besides, if marriage was so sacred, then the divorce rate wouldn't be over 50% would it?Since when has marriage been strictly associated with Christianity?
Marriage was associated with Judaism long before Christianity came along. In Judaism too, such same gender relationships were unacceptable.
Terminology-wise,
';Wife'; was first used in Genesis 2 referring to a female,
and ';Husband'; was first used in Genesis 3 referring to a male.
';Marriage'; is first mentioned in Exodus 21 and the verb ';marry'; is first used in Genesis 38
Agreed. I think there is nothing at all wrong with same sex marriage. What happened to everyone being treated equally, not just some groups being treated more equally than others?
And to Angeltress down there, ever heard of adoption? Or in vitro? Homosexuals can have children, whether they are of their own blood or not.
excuse me, you are incorrect about the first use of the term ';marriage'; -either you are mistaken or altering facts to fit your argument.
Since those damn gays decided they should have rights.
How dare they?!
I am wondering if this means I am not married. I am not a christian.
Since never. Christianity is an upstart newcomer.
That's what happens when there is a religious majority in a country.
I think you're right. Equal treatment under the law.
As far as I can see it began in the garden when God brought Eve to Adam
Okay, well, Christians, as you know, believe in the Bible.
And, in the Bible, God creates man and woman to complement each other. Later, in a discussion about marriage, Jesus referred to the Beginning, and asserted that a man would leave his mother and cleave to his wife, and that they would be ';one flesh';....which, to the Christian, defines marriage.
The point is, that to the Christian mind, marriage is as old as mankind, and has always been about the mating of a man and a woman.
Now, most Christians do realize that people outside of our faith don't think the same way that we do, and the majority are content that our laws are not for people outside of our faith...within reason, of course.
Most of us would have no problem at all if gay couples would be satisfied with, as you called it yourself, a business contract...which is really all the state can grant to them, anyhow. ALL we ask is that they not call it ';marriage';, which is the union under God between a man and a woman.
We know they are going to be gay anyhow, and have their ';ceremonies'; and such...but really, why is it so dam important to call it ';marriage';? Call it a ';Civil Union'; or some other term that does not raise Christian hackles. Nobody cares if gay couples have the same legal rights as hetero couples, except maybe the most rabid among the fundies...
I am against homosexuality because it involves anal sex, which is a serious health threat, not only to the men who practice it, but to the people around them, as well. Having just watched a very dear man die by slow and agonizing inches of an incurable staph infection (he was ill for several years...no, not days, not weeks, not months...YEARS), I am not eager to have gay men livng near me or my children or grandchldren...nor would I be overjoyed to think that their ';children'; (and how could their be children without both male and female?) would be in school with them. Staph is VERY contagious, and, unlike stds, you CAN get it from a toilet seat...or a doorknob, or from an affected child's pencil...WORSE, it is air borne. Medical personel will tell you that, in the event that they must operate on someone with staph, they go so far as to tape material over the very walls of the room to protect them. Don't take my word for it. Google it for yourself.
Of course, you do realize that the little germ responsible is found in human feces, right?
Doctors say that they are seeing up to 30% increase in antibiotic resistant staph.
Uh...I wonder how THAT happened??
It never has, which is an arguement against you trying to make it a religious thing. But that doesn't mean that whatever you say is good is good.
Let's talk strict reason, Bad pleasures in Plato's Gorgias, okay. What does Socrates say :
Socratesmentions various dishonorable pleasures, such as a life spent scratching itches, or a Catamite's pleasures [Catamite = young male kept by a pederast, i.e. who is passive partner in anal sex.]
At this point, Callicles stops answering honestly, and abandons the search for truth. He states a position he does not sincerely hold, that all pleasures are equally good, which seems to be required by the case, if pleasure is all that good is, i.e. if pleasure is THE good.
SOCRATES: Shall I pursue the question? And here, Callicles, I would have you consider how you would reply if consequences are pressed upon you, especially if in the last resort you are asked, whether the life of a catamite is not terrible, foul, miserable? Or would you venture to say, that they too are happy, if they only get enough of what they want?
CALLICLES: Are you not ashamed, Socrates, of introducing such topics into the argument?
SOCRATES: Well, my fine friend, who admits of no distinction between good and bad pleasures? And I would still ask, whether you say that pleasure and good are the same, or whether there is some pleasure which is not a good?
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In sum, I disagree with you on utterly rational grounds. Don't bring religion into it. It makes you look even worse.
I can't really answer any of your questions because I am an avid gay rights activist, but I wanted to thank you for supplying me with some history that I was unaware of and that will make a better argument for same sex marriages.
But I can give you a little insight into the political role in all of this. A good majority actually has to do with insurance companies; I hope you know what lobbying is...well anyways, the insurance companies know that when two people marry their health benefits, etc, are now also applicable to their partner, and they have accepted this for many years with straight marriage. But now there comes a time where they may have to begin supplying for an even greater population, and lets face it, they hate to lose money. So they will lobby against same sex marriages in order to keep their money, and they send financial support to political candidates who promise to prevent same-sex marriages. Isn't it upsetting how much money has a hold on everyone?
The term ';marriage'; first occurred in Rome, and this term was applied towards same-sex couples as well, until the year 342 where same-sex marriage was declared illegal by Christian emperors.
Now, since the term ';marriage'; itself does not apply strictly to Christianity, or religion itself - then what other reasons do you feel homosexuals should not be able to marry?
If you give the same rights, then you can apply the same term to the couple as well. Marriage is supposed to be a commitment, why refuse to let others show their commitment and love to another - despite their sexual preference? I see no valid reason to deny anyone those rights.
Thank you for your answers.Since when has marriage been strictly associated with Christianity?
Agreed.
I was thinking about this one day.
Basically, by Christians saying it is a union between a man and a woman by THEIR book, they are saying ONLY CHRISTIANS CAN GET MARRIED!
What about all other religions and non religious people?
REGARDLESS of where marriage first came from, it is NOT just a religious or Christian ceremony.
It is ONLY religious when it is /performed by a priest in a church/
(Not saying that you cannot have a religious ceremony outside. That is not what I mean.)
Besides, if marriage was so sacred, then the divorce rate wouldn't be over 50% would it?Since when has marriage been strictly associated with Christianity?
Marriage was associated with Judaism long before Christianity came along. In Judaism too, such same gender relationships were unacceptable.
Terminology-wise,
';Wife'; was first used in Genesis 2 referring to a female,
and ';Husband'; was first used in Genesis 3 referring to a male.
';Marriage'; is first mentioned in Exodus 21 and the verb ';marry'; is first used in Genesis 38
Agreed. I think there is nothing at all wrong with same sex marriage. What happened to everyone being treated equally, not just some groups being treated more equally than others?
And to Angeltress down there, ever heard of adoption? Or in vitro? Homosexuals can have children, whether they are of their own blood or not.
excuse me, you are incorrect about the first use of the term ';marriage'; -either you are mistaken or altering facts to fit your argument.
Since those damn gays decided they should have rights.
How dare they?!
I am wondering if this means I am not married. I am not a christian.
Since never. Christianity is an upstart newcomer.
That's what happens when there is a religious majority in a country.
I think you're right. Equal treatment under the law.
As far as I can see it began in the garden when God brought Eve to Adam
Okay, well, Christians, as you know, believe in the Bible.
And, in the Bible, God creates man and woman to complement each other. Later, in a discussion about marriage, Jesus referred to the Beginning, and asserted that a man would leave his mother and cleave to his wife, and that they would be ';one flesh';....which, to the Christian, defines marriage.
The point is, that to the Christian mind, marriage is as old as mankind, and has always been about the mating of a man and a woman.
Now, most Christians do realize that people outside of our faith don't think the same way that we do, and the majority are content that our laws are not for people outside of our faith...within reason, of course.
Most of us would have no problem at all if gay couples would be satisfied with, as you called it yourself, a business contract...which is really all the state can grant to them, anyhow. ALL we ask is that they not call it ';marriage';, which is the union under God between a man and a woman.
We know they are going to be gay anyhow, and have their ';ceremonies'; and such...but really, why is it so dam important to call it ';marriage';? Call it a ';Civil Union'; or some other term that does not raise Christian hackles. Nobody cares if gay couples have the same legal rights as hetero couples, except maybe the most rabid among the fundies...
I am against homosexuality because it involves anal sex, which is a serious health threat, not only to the men who practice it, but to the people around them, as well. Having just watched a very dear man die by slow and agonizing inches of an incurable staph infection (he was ill for several years...no, not days, not weeks, not months...YEARS), I am not eager to have gay men livng near me or my children or grandchldren...nor would I be overjoyed to think that their ';children'; (and how could their be children without both male and female?) would be in school with them. Staph is VERY contagious, and, unlike stds, you CAN get it from a toilet seat...or a doorknob, or from an affected child's pencil...WORSE, it is air borne. Medical personel will tell you that, in the event that they must operate on someone with staph, they go so far as to tape material over the very walls of the room to protect them. Don't take my word for it. Google it for yourself.
Of course, you do realize that the little germ responsible is found in human feces, right?
Doctors say that they are seeing up to 30% increase in antibiotic resistant staph.
Uh...I wonder how THAT happened??
It never has, which is an arguement against you trying to make it a religious thing. But that doesn't mean that whatever you say is good is good.
Let's talk strict reason, Bad pleasures in Plato's Gorgias, okay. What does Socrates say :
Socratesmentions various dishonorable pleasures, such as a life spent scratching itches, or a Catamite's pleasures [Catamite = young male kept by a pederast, i.e. who is passive partner in anal sex.]
At this point, Callicles stops answering honestly, and abandons the search for truth. He states a position he does not sincerely hold, that all pleasures are equally good, which seems to be required by the case, if pleasure is all that good is, i.e. if pleasure is THE good.
SOCRATES: Shall I pursue the question? And here, Callicles, I would have you consider how you would reply if consequences are pressed upon you, especially if in the last resort you are asked, whether the life of a catamite is not terrible, foul, miserable? Or would you venture to say, that they too are happy, if they only get enough of what they want?
CALLICLES: Are you not ashamed, Socrates, of introducing such topics into the argument?
SOCRATES: Well, my fine friend, who admits of no distinction between good and bad pleasures? And I would still ask, whether you say that pleasure and good are the same, or whether there is some pleasure which is not a good?
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In sum, I disagree with you on utterly rational grounds. Don't bring religion into it. It makes you look even worse.
I can't really answer any of your questions because I am an avid gay rights activist, but I wanted to thank you for supplying me with some history that I was unaware of and that will make a better argument for same sex marriages.
But I can give you a little insight into the political role in all of this. A good majority actually has to do with insurance companies; I hope you know what lobbying is...well anyways, the insurance companies know that when two people marry their health benefits, etc, are now also applicable to their partner, and they have accepted this for many years with straight marriage. But now there comes a time where they may have to begin supplying for an even greater population, and lets face it, they hate to lose money. So they will lobby against same sex marriages in order to keep their money, and they send financial support to political candidates who promise to prevent same-sex marriages. Isn't it upsetting how much money has a hold on everyone?
I have a question about the ring exchange during the marriage ceremony?
Does he just put on the wedding band on my finger or both wedding band and engagment ring. B/C everyone keeps telling me that the wedding band is put on first closes to your heart. So when do you put back on the engagment ring? ThanksI have a question about the ring exchange during the marriage ceremony?
Put your engagement ring on your right ring finger. That way your husband can put the wedding band on the proper finger. Put the engagement ring on top of the wedding band after the ceremony.I have a question about the ring exchange during the marriage ceremony?
You can either wear your engagement ring on your right hand or just have some one you trust (MOH, parent, fiance maybe?) hold your engagement ring he puts the wedding band on your finger and then when the ceremony is over you can put the engagement ring back on. I've also heard of leaving the engagement ring on so the wedding band goes on second and then switching their positions later, but most people look at it as bad luck to take off your wedding band and don't take that option. Me I'll be having my MOH, mom, dad or my fiance hold my engagement ring until the ceremony is over
i've heard of people putting the engagement ring in the right hand and then transferring the ring back to your left after the ceremony. I'm not sure what i'm doing yet. My options is to give the 2 rings to my pastor so he could bless them and have both of them put at the same time or just stay with my engagement ring on and switch the order after the ceremony.
For me this is not that important as long as you have it on i don't think the order of it is important.
There are many ways to do the double ring ceremony. You can have him put the wedding band on top and then flip them later. My husband and I chose to have me wear the engagement ring on my right hand when I went down the aisle. My husband put the wedding band on my left hand. Then the officiate asked my husband to move my engagement ring to it's permanent place on my left hand, above the wedding band. It's up to you how you want to do it.
You would move your engagement ring to your right hand (or have a bridesmaid/maid of honour hold onto it during the ceremony) After the ceremony you would put the engagement ring back on. I know some people solder them together before the ceremony, in that case he would be putting both on (since they are joined together. lol).
I had the same problem. I left my engagement ring on my left hand during the ceremony and my husband slid the wedding band on top of it. Right after the ceremony I just switched them around so that the wedding band was closest to my heart. It really just depends on what you want to do. I don't think there's any ';proper'; way to do this.
Yes you wear your engagement ring on your right hand and after the ceremony you put the engagement ring on after the wedding band.
The wedding ring goes on the third finger of the left had as this supposedly has a vein that runs to the heart and another reason for the wedding ring on first is that some women like to remove their engagement ring when doing any work indoors in case it gets ruined etc.,
during teh ceremony he will put only the wedding band on. you should be wearing your engagement ring on your right hand before the ceremony, so that you left ring finger is free for him to put the band on. then after the ceremony you move the engagement ring from your right hand over to your left hand on top of the wedding band.
wear your engagement ring on your right hand, then after he puts the wedding band on you, you can quickly switch the engagement ring over to your left hand with it. or right after the ceremony, switch the engagement ring to your left hand.
I just wore my engagement ring on my left hand--didn't want the confusion of my husband not knowing which hand to grab. After the ceremony I just flipped them so the wedding band was on the bottom.
i guess you move your engagement ring to your right ring finger until after the ceremony and then put the engagement one in front. Congrats.
A lot of people wear their engagement ring on their right hand during the ceremony, then after the ceremony is over they can put the engagement ring on above the wedding band
You can put your engagement ring on your right hand and than slip it on your left hand later or you can have him put both rings on at the same time, but wedding band first and engagement ring on top.
You put the engagement ring back on your finger after the ceremony. :))
After the ceremony obviously.makeup counter
Put your engagement ring on your right ring finger. That way your husband can put the wedding band on the proper finger. Put the engagement ring on top of the wedding band after the ceremony.I have a question about the ring exchange during the marriage ceremony?
You can either wear your engagement ring on your right hand or just have some one you trust (MOH, parent, fiance maybe?) hold your engagement ring he puts the wedding band on your finger and then when the ceremony is over you can put the engagement ring back on. I've also heard of leaving the engagement ring on so the wedding band goes on second and then switching their positions later, but most people look at it as bad luck to take off your wedding band and don't take that option. Me I'll be having my MOH, mom, dad or my fiance hold my engagement ring until the ceremony is over
i've heard of people putting the engagement ring in the right hand and then transferring the ring back to your left after the ceremony. I'm not sure what i'm doing yet. My options is to give the 2 rings to my pastor so he could bless them and have both of them put at the same time or just stay with my engagement ring on and switch the order after the ceremony.
For me this is not that important as long as you have it on i don't think the order of it is important.
There are many ways to do the double ring ceremony. You can have him put the wedding band on top and then flip them later. My husband and I chose to have me wear the engagement ring on my right hand when I went down the aisle. My husband put the wedding band on my left hand. Then the officiate asked my husband to move my engagement ring to it's permanent place on my left hand, above the wedding band. It's up to you how you want to do it.
You would move your engagement ring to your right hand (or have a bridesmaid/maid of honour hold onto it during the ceremony) After the ceremony you would put the engagement ring back on. I know some people solder them together before the ceremony, in that case he would be putting both on (since they are joined together. lol).
I had the same problem. I left my engagement ring on my left hand during the ceremony and my husband slid the wedding band on top of it. Right after the ceremony I just switched them around so that the wedding band was closest to my heart. It really just depends on what you want to do. I don't think there's any ';proper'; way to do this.
Yes you wear your engagement ring on your right hand and after the ceremony you put the engagement ring on after the wedding band.
The wedding ring goes on the third finger of the left had as this supposedly has a vein that runs to the heart and another reason for the wedding ring on first is that some women like to remove their engagement ring when doing any work indoors in case it gets ruined etc.,
during teh ceremony he will put only the wedding band on. you should be wearing your engagement ring on your right hand before the ceremony, so that you left ring finger is free for him to put the band on. then after the ceremony you move the engagement ring from your right hand over to your left hand on top of the wedding band.
wear your engagement ring on your right hand, then after he puts the wedding band on you, you can quickly switch the engagement ring over to your left hand with it. or right after the ceremony, switch the engagement ring to your left hand.
I just wore my engagement ring on my left hand--didn't want the confusion of my husband not knowing which hand to grab. After the ceremony I just flipped them so the wedding band was on the bottom.
i guess you move your engagement ring to your right ring finger until after the ceremony and then put the engagement one in front. Congrats.
A lot of people wear their engagement ring on their right hand during the ceremony, then after the ceremony is over they can put the engagement ring on above the wedding band
You can put your engagement ring on your right hand and than slip it on your left hand later or you can have him put both rings on at the same time, but wedding band first and engagement ring on top.
You put the engagement ring back on your finger after the ceremony. :))
After the ceremony obviously.
Why are older people more likely to be against gay marriage?
Is it because they are old? Or because of the time they grew up in?
Does that make sense?
I guess I'm wondering if today's youth will grow to be opposed to gay marriage also or if public opinion will change dramatically when the older generation passes.Why are older people more likely to be against gay marriage?
Because back then it wasn't as accepted.Why are older people more likely to be against gay marriage?
It's very much a generational thing, and that's somewhat encouraging, really. Surveys and studies show that more and more people are becoming accepting of same sex marriage. I read this morning that the group most likely to vote against Prop 8 in CA this week was young voters. As voters were older, so went their views toward supporting Prop 8 (eliminating same sex marriage).
Just a few years ago, the spread between those who supported gay marriage and those who opposed in, in the election, was huge. Double Digits. A few years later, in 2008, it's a much more modest percentage difference. As older voters either pass on or stop voting, replaced by younger voters, it will happen. It's only a matter of time.
It is both: because they are old and because of the time they grew up in. You know that old people don't like change. (And if you don't believe me, try finding an old person who can work a computer or a DVD player). They grew up in a time when gays were looked at as abnormal....and since it is not familiar to them, they are afraid of it.
Today's youth will definitely be more tolerant. They are growing up knowing that it is okay to be gay and they will be comfortable with it so they won't have the same intolerant, hateful views.
I think its because f the time they grew up in.
People are more accepting NOW then they were back then.
I accept gay marriage.
Love is love.
Gender doesn't matter at all.
But old people were taught to believe
that it was wrong...soo that's
what they TRY to teach
younger people.
Rest assured that only ';Old People'; were not the only ones that voted against Proposition 8 in California. 54% of the voters voted against the issue and statistically, only 26% of the population is over 55.
Making General Statements like you have made cannot be proven.
It was more the time they grew up in. There are some people about from the Elizibeth Eckford incident who spit at black people. It was a different time.
It's probably because of the era they were born and raised in.
Today's youth is much more different than last century's.
It's because such things weren't taking place when they were younger and it's quite often that people are against and afraid of something they are not familiar with and don't understand
It's a generational thing, they grew up in a more repressive period homosexually speaking.
Because of the time they were brought up in, where most people were married by the age of twenty or so and they were no gay relationships what so ever.
(:
xo
Public opinion has greatly changed.
i think the answer made by ';gemma ;)'; is brilliant.
couldn't have put it better myself to be honest!
xo
Because they grew up in the time where they thought it was a choice to be gay.
Well back in 1864, we ain't got no fancy gays to discriminate against, we had dem black people!
old school like that
Does that make sense?
I guess I'm wondering if today's youth will grow to be opposed to gay marriage also or if public opinion will change dramatically when the older generation passes.Why are older people more likely to be against gay marriage?
Because back then it wasn't as accepted.Why are older people more likely to be against gay marriage?
It's very much a generational thing, and that's somewhat encouraging, really. Surveys and studies show that more and more people are becoming accepting of same sex marriage. I read this morning that the group most likely to vote against Prop 8 in CA this week was young voters. As voters were older, so went their views toward supporting Prop 8 (eliminating same sex marriage).
Just a few years ago, the spread between those who supported gay marriage and those who opposed in, in the election, was huge. Double Digits. A few years later, in 2008, it's a much more modest percentage difference. As older voters either pass on or stop voting, replaced by younger voters, it will happen. It's only a matter of time.
It is both: because they are old and because of the time they grew up in. You know that old people don't like change. (And if you don't believe me, try finding an old person who can work a computer or a DVD player). They grew up in a time when gays were looked at as abnormal....and since it is not familiar to them, they are afraid of it.
Today's youth will definitely be more tolerant. They are growing up knowing that it is okay to be gay and they will be comfortable with it so they won't have the same intolerant, hateful views.
I think its because f the time they grew up in.
People are more accepting NOW then they were back then.
I accept gay marriage.
Love is love.
Gender doesn't matter at all.
But old people were taught to believe
that it was wrong...soo that's
what they TRY to teach
younger people.
Rest assured that only ';Old People'; were not the only ones that voted against Proposition 8 in California. 54% of the voters voted against the issue and statistically, only 26% of the population is over 55.
Making General Statements like you have made cannot be proven.
It was more the time they grew up in. There are some people about from the Elizibeth Eckford incident who spit at black people. It was a different time.
It's probably because of the era they were born and raised in.
Today's youth is much more different than last century's.
It's because such things weren't taking place when they were younger and it's quite often that people are against and afraid of something they are not familiar with and don't understand
It's a generational thing, they grew up in a more repressive period homosexually speaking.
Because of the time they were brought up in, where most people were married by the age of twenty or so and they were no gay relationships what so ever.
(:
xo
Public opinion has greatly changed.
i think the answer made by ';gemma ;)'; is brilliant.
couldn't have put it better myself to be honest!
xo
Because they grew up in the time where they thought it was a choice to be gay.
Well back in 1864, we ain't got no fancy gays to discriminate against, we had dem black people!
old school like that
Do you think marriage is just a legal contract for physical relationship?
A contract for man to get license to __ woman and for a woman to sell herself to a man on monthly rental basis for fixed amount with added conditions.Do you think marriage is just a legal contract for physical relationship?
Marriage is suppose to be about committing yourself to each other. When you get married you are saying that this is the person I want to be with and this person only. If marriage is a contract for sex then there are going to be a lot of divorces. If marriages are based on sex, when the sex gets old, then whats next? You have nothing else to fall back on. No love, no trust, hell no relationship.Do you think marriage is just a legal contract for physical relationship?
Absolutely not! Marriage is significantly more than just a physical relationship. Don't believe me? Go look at your grandparents or any other couple you know who is going on 40+ years of marriage.
Look at how they love and suppport each other. Look at how they get strength from each other. Look at how they comfort each other. Their relationship is so much more than just the physical. They have that depth and breadth to their relationship BECAUSE they have been deeply committed to each other for so long. A boyfriend/girlfriend relationship doesn't get to those same levels...even a long term dating situation.
I feel sad for you if you think that marriage is only about the sexual component of it.
No. You are failing to see the complex and deep relationship that a successful marriage has.There is a deep emotional bond and a mutual support that can not be found anywhere else. If this is not a part of the marriage,it will eventually fail
If it's what it is then a whole bunch of people should get a lawyer and have their part of the contract respected.
For the most part you are right, but remember the __'ing needs to be consensual otherwise it gets classified as rape and that can cause your license to be taken away.
That doesn't resemble any marriage I'm aware of.
You're assuming the woman doesn't contribute financially. What rock have you been living under?
It might have started that way but rights of sexual access are no longer enforceable in the civilized world though financial support and so on very much is.
Not according to the Catholic Church. Yeah, you've got some issues. I guess it would be as you describe if there was no love in the relationship.
Let me guess: she dumped you for your best friend and is claiming alimony in court, isn't she?
You don't need to be married to do that.
No, I don't think that way.
Someone took their ';bitterness pill'; today, didn't he?
If that is the way you feel I feel sorry for you !
In some countries it is.
If that's what you think, I estimate you to be about 15 years old.
never thought of it in that way, but hmm
if you think thats what marriage is then DONT get married yet...please
Marriage is suppose to be about committing yourself to each other. When you get married you are saying that this is the person I want to be with and this person only. If marriage is a contract for sex then there are going to be a lot of divorces. If marriages are based on sex, when the sex gets old, then whats next? You have nothing else to fall back on. No love, no trust, hell no relationship.Do you think marriage is just a legal contract for physical relationship?
Absolutely not! Marriage is significantly more than just a physical relationship. Don't believe me? Go look at your grandparents or any other couple you know who is going on 40+ years of marriage.
Look at how they love and suppport each other. Look at how they get strength from each other. Look at how they comfort each other. Their relationship is so much more than just the physical. They have that depth and breadth to their relationship BECAUSE they have been deeply committed to each other for so long. A boyfriend/girlfriend relationship doesn't get to those same levels...even a long term dating situation.
I feel sad for you if you think that marriage is only about the sexual component of it.
No. You are failing to see the complex and deep relationship that a successful marriage has.There is a deep emotional bond and a mutual support that can not be found anywhere else. If this is not a part of the marriage,it will eventually fail
If it's what it is then a whole bunch of people should get a lawyer and have their part of the contract respected.
For the most part you are right, but remember the __'ing needs to be consensual otherwise it gets classified as rape and that can cause your license to be taken away.
That doesn't resemble any marriage I'm aware of.
You're assuming the woman doesn't contribute financially. What rock have you been living under?
It might have started that way but rights of sexual access are no longer enforceable in the civilized world though financial support and so on very much is.
Not according to the Catholic Church. Yeah, you've got some issues. I guess it would be as you describe if there was no love in the relationship.
Let me guess: she dumped you for your best friend and is claiming alimony in court, isn't she?
You don't need to be married to do that.
No, I don't think that way.
Someone took their ';bitterness pill'; today, didn't he?
If that is the way you feel I feel sorry for you !
In some countries it is.
If that's what you think, I estimate you to be about 15 years old.
never thought of it in that way, but hmm
if you think thats what marriage is then DONT get married yet...please
Those against gay marriage rights: Why do you care what other people do?
Why do you find it your business to impose your will on others?
Should everyone be forced to follow your religion?Those against gay marriage rights: Why do you care what other people do?
Mob rule is never good. Years ago mob rule denied blacks their civil rights, today it's gays. Gay marriage hurts no one. It makes gay people feel included. That's good. Civil rights for all. Feel uncomfortable all you want but don't deny other humans the right to love others and live with them as married people.
Your church doesn't have to marry gay people, but don't impose your churches view on the entire country. Civil Rights for all.Those against gay marriage rights: Why do you care what other people do?
Look at all the people who claim 鈥淕ays threaten the sanctity of marriage鈥濃€︹€?.
Newt Gingrich
-married 3 times
-dumped his 1st wife while she was in the hospital
-cheated on his 2nd wife
-refused to attend his own sister鈥檚 wedding
Rudy Giuliani
-married 3 times
-his 1st wife was his own cousin
-his 2nd wife also married 3 times
-his 3rd wife also married 3 times
-he's a grown man who crossdresses
-his own daughter wouldn鈥檛 vote for him
Rush Limbaugh
-Divorced 3 times
-his 1st marriage only lasted 3 years
John McCain
-married twice
-dumped the woman who was the same age as him, who stood by him while he was in captivity for 5 years鈥?.dumped her for a younger, richer woman, who has 100 million dollars.
Fred Thompson
-married twice
-married a woman young enough to be his daughter
And you don't suppose that 4 judges negating the popular voice of 3,000,000 voters is imposing their will on others?
This has nothing to do with religion. Could it be that the majority of people want traditional marriage to stay that way?
If gays get to marry, then what will polygamists and pedophiles do? You don't think they want the same societal acceptance gays want?
If the government controls it will be just the opposite. They will force churches to marry gay couples.
Your rights end the moment they infringe on my rights.
I agree with you, thats it none of my business. I just dont want the Federal government to get involved in it. Its a state issue for local people and communities to decide, not Washington bureaucrats.
You just don't get how afraid they are.
They are afraid of their own feelings- they may be closeted or even mainly straight but had funny feelings about some one of the same sex and are totally freaked.
They are afraid their spouse may be gay. Their own sex life is so dead and they are afraid they might be happier with someone who understood them better.
They are afraid their children may be gay. What would people say about their parenting skills?
But hatred a bigotry are more to be afraid of than any of the boogie men.
I'm against gays making a federal issue out of it. It's a state issue, like all marriage is, and if a state doesn't want to allow it because the people have voted against it, then they just have to deal with it. There are plenty of people in this country who would probably prefer to be common law married, but the vast majority of states don't recognize those, either. We also don't allow polygamy and bestiality.
Marriage isn't a right, and these people need to get over themselves.
because marriage is a human creation meant to be between a man and woman to continue the cycle of life through gods wishes. lets put it like this, if people were meant to be gay, our civilization would have been gone long ago, for obvious reasons.
i'm not against civil unions where you recieve the same benefits as a married couple would. I do believe it is not a choice, but with that said it means i believe that being gay is a disorder. it's obvious that people aren't suppose to be gay, just in some cases they are, and i understand that.
i just dont want you to take something away from me that i share with my wife. gay marriage is changing the name therefore it is not the same thing.
There is another side to that coin.
Should a state have the right (by vote of its residents) to ban the practice? Now, once a same sex couple (legally married in another state) comes into the first state... they are forced (through the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution) to recognize that union... Thereby negating their right as a state to regulate it.
Now, Clinton passed DOMA which essentially erased that part of the Constitution, but erasing even small pieces of our VERY FOUNDATION simply can't be the answer.
It is not a moral question... It is a Constitutional one!
People have different beliefs, I could care less what gays do until I am forced to accept it. Same goes with everything else in the PC diversity driven world we live in.
Forcing people to accept your preferences divides the country, not one of my ancestors owned slaves so I have no guilt about slavery. I recognize its wrong, whites were subjected to slavery but I'm not going to torture myself with it.
I love the earth and want it kept clean but I'm not buying the global warming crap.It's amazing that we believe that we can predict whats going to happen 20 years from now but weather forecast are only reasonably accurate for 24 hours.
We are at war with an enemy that is not subject to the Geneva convention so they do not have the same rights as US citizens, they are Islamic Terrorists and we need to destroy them. It's the only thing they understand, you can't talk to them, they hate us and that's the way it is. So back off the military bashing and blaming it all on the US, the most generous, fair and free country in the world.
I don't hate immigrants. I welcome anyone that wants to become a citizen of the US as long as they do it in a legal manner. My grandmother was an immigrant who followed all the rules and became a citizen of the US. She still celebrated customs and used the language of her native country but learned how to read, write and speak english and did not suffer mental anguish doing so.
Long story short, stop making everything a drama and we would all get along better.
I don't care what you do in your private lives but when you make it public, when our lives will be affected by your selfish acts then I care about my children and myself. I don't like you gays kissing in front of the me on the TV, or anywhere especially in front of my kids. Gays are not normal beings, it is a sickness, just like being a murderer is a sickness that needs to be stop not tolerated or else they will destroy peoples lives.
Good question. But it has a little of incongruence... it seems like your don't care what other people do, so you shouldn't care if gays have marriaqge rights or not (unless you were gay, but in that case you can be with your partner (or partners), you don't need to marry as long as your were together and happy, don't you think?
Edit:
Healthy person, you seem vary interested in other people's marriages!
Well, In religions, We are told by God in all of our scared texts not to allow gays to marry, because god Made men and women to marry people of the opposite sex, but each other. But we are told to respect them as neighbors, for they are a person of god. So it each conflicts with eachother, Like specific Christans say it's ok.
People are against it because they are not used to it. They THINK God is against it, because its in the bible. But in my own opinion GOD DIDNT WRITE THE BIBLE And God loves all of his children correct? And does God not believe in love and wanting his children to be Happy?? I dont think God gives a flying toot about Gays and lesbians being how they are, he just wants us all to be happy.. Plus people are arrogant. Love conquers all and everyone deserves to be happy. soooo there.
God abiding people love to tell people what to do, but they never apply those rules on themselves.
Look at Ted Haggard. Respected of all ... hated gays and said it publicly ... in the end, he was gay, paying dudes to have sex with him.
Not only he didn't apply what he openly say, but his own church kicked him out for being gay. Another proof of intolerance.
You are simply brilliant for asking this question :]
I think the same way. If two people who love each other, devote themselves to one another, and order chinese on a Friday night just like the next couple; why can't they be married as well?
If they want to engage in all that the married life has to offer; such as joint this and that, why can't they?
It's horrible how close-minded some people are.
it all goes back to morals and ethics
no one wants to see two guys or girls makin out on the streets
i have gay friends so dont judge
but honestly our country is based a lot off the Bible and gay is considered wrong in there..but you are supposed to accept everyone..but not support them
i think the people that oppose it are afraid that gay marriage could influence their children, its not about the gay people to them, its about their children.
Because they are haters and some may have resolved sexual identity problems.like Senator Craig, among others.
Because they think it will influence their own sexual orientation because they are not secure in it.
Sure let gay people marry then go live In the same state together.And reproduce and see how that goes.
its not exactly about what they do its about protecting the moral fiber of society in whole.
My name is Scott White and I am for Man boy marriage after we get gay marriage ok'd.
why force your unnatural will on me.
It is against the Bible. Therefore,as a society, we are against it as well. It's not our law, it's God's.
Should everyone be forced to follow your religion?Those against gay marriage rights: Why do you care what other people do?
Mob rule is never good. Years ago mob rule denied blacks their civil rights, today it's gays. Gay marriage hurts no one. It makes gay people feel included. That's good. Civil rights for all. Feel uncomfortable all you want but don't deny other humans the right to love others and live with them as married people.
Your church doesn't have to marry gay people, but don't impose your churches view on the entire country. Civil Rights for all.Those against gay marriage rights: Why do you care what other people do?
Look at all the people who claim 鈥淕ays threaten the sanctity of marriage鈥濃€︹€?.
Newt Gingrich
-married 3 times
-dumped his 1st wife while she was in the hospital
-cheated on his 2nd wife
-refused to attend his own sister鈥檚 wedding
Rudy Giuliani
-married 3 times
-his 1st wife was his own cousin
-his 2nd wife also married 3 times
-his 3rd wife also married 3 times
-he's a grown man who crossdresses
-his own daughter wouldn鈥檛 vote for him
Rush Limbaugh
-Divorced 3 times
-his 1st marriage only lasted 3 years
John McCain
-married twice
-dumped the woman who was the same age as him, who stood by him while he was in captivity for 5 years鈥?.dumped her for a younger, richer woman, who has 100 million dollars.
Fred Thompson
-married twice
-married a woman young enough to be his daughter
And you don't suppose that 4 judges negating the popular voice of 3,000,000 voters is imposing their will on others?
This has nothing to do with religion. Could it be that the majority of people want traditional marriage to stay that way?
If gays get to marry, then what will polygamists and pedophiles do? You don't think they want the same societal acceptance gays want?
If the government controls it will be just the opposite. They will force churches to marry gay couples.
Your rights end the moment they infringe on my rights.
I agree with you, thats it none of my business. I just dont want the Federal government to get involved in it. Its a state issue for local people and communities to decide, not Washington bureaucrats.
You just don't get how afraid they are.
They are afraid of their own feelings- they may be closeted or even mainly straight but had funny feelings about some one of the same sex and are totally freaked.
They are afraid their spouse may be gay. Their own sex life is so dead and they are afraid they might be happier with someone who understood them better.
They are afraid their children may be gay. What would people say about their parenting skills?
But hatred a bigotry are more to be afraid of than any of the boogie men.
I'm against gays making a federal issue out of it. It's a state issue, like all marriage is, and if a state doesn't want to allow it because the people have voted against it, then they just have to deal with it. There are plenty of people in this country who would probably prefer to be common law married, but the vast majority of states don't recognize those, either. We also don't allow polygamy and bestiality.
Marriage isn't a right, and these people need to get over themselves.
because marriage is a human creation meant to be between a man and woman to continue the cycle of life through gods wishes. lets put it like this, if people were meant to be gay, our civilization would have been gone long ago, for obvious reasons.
i'm not against civil unions where you recieve the same benefits as a married couple would. I do believe it is not a choice, but with that said it means i believe that being gay is a disorder. it's obvious that people aren't suppose to be gay, just in some cases they are, and i understand that.
i just dont want you to take something away from me that i share with my wife. gay marriage is changing the name therefore it is not the same thing.
There is another side to that coin.
Should a state have the right (by vote of its residents) to ban the practice? Now, once a same sex couple (legally married in another state) comes into the first state... they are forced (through the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution) to recognize that union... Thereby negating their right as a state to regulate it.
Now, Clinton passed DOMA which essentially erased that part of the Constitution, but erasing even small pieces of our VERY FOUNDATION simply can't be the answer.
It is not a moral question... It is a Constitutional one!
People have different beliefs, I could care less what gays do until I am forced to accept it. Same goes with everything else in the PC diversity driven world we live in.
Forcing people to accept your preferences divides the country, not one of my ancestors owned slaves so I have no guilt about slavery. I recognize its wrong, whites were subjected to slavery but I'm not going to torture myself with it.
I love the earth and want it kept clean but I'm not buying the global warming crap.It's amazing that we believe that we can predict whats going to happen 20 years from now but weather forecast are only reasonably accurate for 24 hours.
We are at war with an enemy that is not subject to the Geneva convention so they do not have the same rights as US citizens, they are Islamic Terrorists and we need to destroy them. It's the only thing they understand, you can't talk to them, they hate us and that's the way it is. So back off the military bashing and blaming it all on the US, the most generous, fair and free country in the world.
I don't hate immigrants. I welcome anyone that wants to become a citizen of the US as long as they do it in a legal manner. My grandmother was an immigrant who followed all the rules and became a citizen of the US. She still celebrated customs and used the language of her native country but learned how to read, write and speak english and did not suffer mental anguish doing so.
Long story short, stop making everything a drama and we would all get along better.
I don't care what you do in your private lives but when you make it public, when our lives will be affected by your selfish acts then I care about my children and myself. I don't like you gays kissing in front of the me on the TV, or anywhere especially in front of my kids. Gays are not normal beings, it is a sickness, just like being a murderer is a sickness that needs to be stop not tolerated or else they will destroy peoples lives.
Good question. But it has a little of incongruence... it seems like your don't care what other people do, so you shouldn't care if gays have marriaqge rights or not (unless you were gay, but in that case you can be with your partner (or partners), you don't need to marry as long as your were together and happy, don't you think?
Edit:
Healthy person, you seem vary interested in other people's marriages!
Well, In religions, We are told by God in all of our scared texts not to allow gays to marry, because god Made men and women to marry people of the opposite sex, but each other. But we are told to respect them as neighbors, for they are a person of god. So it each conflicts with eachother, Like specific Christans say it's ok.
People are against it because they are not used to it. They THINK God is against it, because its in the bible. But in my own opinion GOD DIDNT WRITE THE BIBLE And God loves all of his children correct? And does God not believe in love and wanting his children to be Happy?? I dont think God gives a flying toot about Gays and lesbians being how they are, he just wants us all to be happy.. Plus people are arrogant. Love conquers all and everyone deserves to be happy. soooo there.
God abiding people love to tell people what to do, but they never apply those rules on themselves.
Look at Ted Haggard. Respected of all ... hated gays and said it publicly ... in the end, he was gay, paying dudes to have sex with him.
Not only he didn't apply what he openly say, but his own church kicked him out for being gay. Another proof of intolerance.
You are simply brilliant for asking this question :]
I think the same way. If two people who love each other, devote themselves to one another, and order chinese on a Friday night just like the next couple; why can't they be married as well?
If they want to engage in all that the married life has to offer; such as joint this and that, why can't they?
It's horrible how close-minded some people are.
it all goes back to morals and ethics
no one wants to see two guys or girls makin out on the streets
i have gay friends so dont judge
but honestly our country is based a lot off the Bible and gay is considered wrong in there..but you are supposed to accept everyone..but not support them
i think the people that oppose it are afraid that gay marriage could influence their children, its not about the gay people to them, its about their children.
Because they are haters and some may have resolved sexual identity problems.like Senator Craig, among others.
Because they think it will influence their own sexual orientation because they are not secure in it.
Sure let gay people marry then go live In the same state together.And reproduce and see how that goes.
its not exactly about what they do its about protecting the moral fiber of society in whole.
My name is Scott White and I am for Man boy marriage after we get gay marriage ok'd.
why force your unnatural will on me.
It is against the Bible. Therefore,as a society, we are against it as well. It's not our law, it's God's.
How did the marriage between Princess Diana and Charles affect the British Monarchy?
I am doing a report on it for history so if you could give me some examples as well as many a few links to some good websitesHow did the marriage between Princess Diana and Charles affect the British Monarchy?
For a long time people idolised Diana and they blamed Prince Charles and the rigidity of the British court for the break up of the marriage. When there was no immediate reaction from the Queen after the fatal accident, this was considered outrageous and there were strong feelings of antagonism towards the royal family. However it has all died down now and people have realised that the couple was incompatible in the first place and there were mistakes made by both.
The major impact has been that the heir to the throne was not allowed to marry a divorcee in the past and history was made when Prince Charles married Camilla Parker- Bowles, whilst his uncle had been forced to abdicate for wanting to marry Mrs Simpson.
Prince Charles's first marriage produced ';an heir and a spare';, ensuring the viability of the male line.How did the marriage between Princess Diana and Charles affect the British Monarchy?
Alice,
I think one way to do this report is to contrast it with the 1923 wedding of Elizabeth, who eventually became the Queen mother. Elizabeth married in to the royal family and found that the princes including her husband were not well suited to lead a nation. Edward the oldest and heir did not want to get married, he didn't want to be king, and he had perpetual affairs with married women. Bertie (her husband) was hopelessly shy, addictive personality who stuttered. He was also a chronic worrier. The third son was also hopelessly shy. The fourth son had a number of problems including massive drug addiction (cocaine) and alcholism . He was also probably a homosexual, but he ended up sleeping with nearly everyone (men, women, and both together at the same time).
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Of course, in 1923 there wasn't the media culture that exposed all of these secrets. Elizabeth essentially took over the family with her strong personality and became the most popular royal in the nation. She loved her husband despite his shortcomings and (with the help of a lot of drinking) encouraged him and helped him with his stuttering. He was devoted to her.
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Elizabeth's loyalty to family extended to her grandson, Charles. Charles in many ways had some of the limitations. He was not a natural ';people person';. Diana quickly overshadowed him as the personality that people became obsessed with. I think the Queen mother was dissapointed that Diana got so angry at the family that she broke away.
It elevated the monarchy to a glorious level. Such a wonderful day full of pomp and circumstance. Such a pity that the Spencer woman did not have the wherewithal to conduct herself with decorum afterwards.
After they divorced I made sure I got back the wedding present I had given them. Diana was not very keen on handing back my Breville Sandwich Toaster but I got my lawyers on the case.
It meant they had two children, one of whom will probably be king one day. I think you will find that if you use Google you will find a lot written about them.
It shock that institution to it's foundations, they thought they had a barbie princess and found an independent spirit!
It gave the monarchy a black eye.
For a long time people idolised Diana and they blamed Prince Charles and the rigidity of the British court for the break up of the marriage. When there was no immediate reaction from the Queen after the fatal accident, this was considered outrageous and there were strong feelings of antagonism towards the royal family. However it has all died down now and people have realised that the couple was incompatible in the first place and there were mistakes made by both.
The major impact has been that the heir to the throne was not allowed to marry a divorcee in the past and history was made when Prince Charles married Camilla Parker- Bowles, whilst his uncle had been forced to abdicate for wanting to marry Mrs Simpson.
Prince Charles's first marriage produced ';an heir and a spare';, ensuring the viability of the male line.How did the marriage between Princess Diana and Charles affect the British Monarchy?
Alice,
I think one way to do this report is to contrast it with the 1923 wedding of Elizabeth, who eventually became the Queen mother. Elizabeth married in to the royal family and found that the princes including her husband were not well suited to lead a nation. Edward the oldest and heir did not want to get married, he didn't want to be king, and he had perpetual affairs with married women. Bertie (her husband) was hopelessly shy, addictive personality who stuttered. He was also a chronic worrier. The third son was also hopelessly shy. The fourth son had a number of problems including massive drug addiction (cocaine) and alcholism . He was also probably a homosexual, but he ended up sleeping with nearly everyone (men, women, and both together at the same time).
-----------------------------
Of course, in 1923 there wasn't the media culture that exposed all of these secrets. Elizabeth essentially took over the family with her strong personality and became the most popular royal in the nation. She loved her husband despite his shortcomings and (with the help of a lot of drinking) encouraged him and helped him with his stuttering. He was devoted to her.
-----------------------------
Elizabeth's loyalty to family extended to her grandson, Charles. Charles in many ways had some of the limitations. He was not a natural ';people person';. Diana quickly overshadowed him as the personality that people became obsessed with. I think the Queen mother was dissapointed that Diana got so angry at the family that she broke away.
It elevated the monarchy to a glorious level. Such a wonderful day full of pomp and circumstance. Such a pity that the Spencer woman did not have the wherewithal to conduct herself with decorum afterwards.
After they divorced I made sure I got back the wedding present I had given them. Diana was not very keen on handing back my Breville Sandwich Toaster but I got my lawyers on the case.
It meant they had two children, one of whom will probably be king one day. I think you will find that if you use Google you will find a lot written about them.
It shock that institution to it's foundations, they thought they had a barbie princess and found an independent spirit!
It gave the monarchy a black eye.
Roughly how much would it cost for legalization papers by marriage?
How much roughly would it be for legalization papers if a couple was married?Roughly how much would it cost for legalization papers by marriage?
Depend on the background of the players
Just under $2000 for a smooth ride with no problems
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No chance if one is an illegalRoughly how much would it cost for legalization papers by marriage?
I think you mean that you got married and you want to send the papers to immigration. It will cost you 1 335 dollars for the papers, plus the lawyer. You will have to send a lot of forms, so if you are not familiar with those forms, better go to a lawyer. Besides that, you will have to legalize your birth certificate in english( thats about $50 ), plus your medical exam ( $300), a police record( $5). So, putting all together, you get to $1690 plus the lawyer fee, which can be from $300 to $500.
Good luck.
Hi,
I'm not certain if I understand your question 100%, but I'll give it a shot.
If you are talking about applying for a green card through marriage to a US citizen it costs roughly US$1400.
You can visit www.visajourney.com for more info. Good luck!makeup counter
Depend on the background of the players
Just under $2000 for a smooth ride with no problems
to
No chance if one is an illegalRoughly how much would it cost for legalization papers by marriage?
I think you mean that you got married and you want to send the papers to immigration. It will cost you 1 335 dollars for the papers, plus the lawyer. You will have to send a lot of forms, so if you are not familiar with those forms, better go to a lawyer. Besides that, you will have to legalize your birth certificate in english( thats about $50 ), plus your medical exam ( $300), a police record( $5). So, putting all together, you get to $1690 plus the lawyer fee, which can be from $300 to $500.
Good luck.
Hi,
I'm not certain if I understand your question 100%, but I'll give it a shot.
If you are talking about applying for a green card through marriage to a US citizen it costs roughly US$1400.
You can visit www.visajourney.com for more info. Good luck!
How can we get touch and intimacy back into our marriage after a terrible period in our lives?
We have had a rough few years, and are starting to rebuild our marriage. We are having councelling, but I still find it very difficult to be touched by my partner, even in the slightest. How can we start to build bridges again, and work to have a 'normal' relationship where holding hands, touching, or anything else dosen't feel so odd?How can we get touch and intimacy back into our marriage after a terrible period in our lives?
if you begin by considering both of yourselves to be different, new (better) individuals who are just getting to know each other and start from scratch. if the past feelings and experiences (bad) keep creeping in at this point, it would not just be difficult, it would be impossible.
There are very few people who take the pains that you are willing to take so hats off to you! and All the luck to you.How can we get touch and intimacy back into our marriage after a terrible period in our lives?
I'm going through the same thing, and wish you luck
Well done you for wanting to try. You have to move on and let the past go and try to see yourself as a new couple. The people who went through the difficult time aren't there anymore, and keep reminding yourself of this if you feel old niggles creeping back.
Try if you can to get out and about and spend time away from the house and familiar surroundings that can pin or tie us to our old selves. If you make time as a couple going for outings, to towns %26amp; places where no-one knows you, you have no distractions and only knowing each other the natural instinct is to be there for each other, won't be so easy to wander off or get caught up doing your own thing. In an unfamiliar surrounding it's also easier to for example 'hold each others hands' it's reassuring and no-one you know is there to judge, it's just the two of you. I don't mean holidays or breaks or whatever, all the better if you can manage that, but simple day trips, jump on a train to a town you've never been to, even if it's just to go for a coffee or look at the buildings parks etc. Leave the car behind so you have to focus on one another and avoid potential stress situations of driving and parking. It needn't be expensive. It's summer and the ideal time to get out and about.
These shared experiences will belong to the two of you exclusively and hopefully as it sounds like you both want to work at it, will bring you closer emotionally making the physical steps that bit easier to build on. Don't be put off if you have a day out and you niggle each other, it doesn't mean failure it just means your normal, just try again another day.
Hope that helps:)
I say that mending your marriage is second, you have to become friends again first and you should just do things friends do till it feels OK again and then see where it goes.
All the best
Accept what happened in the past and move on from there. Realise that you are both different individuals now from what you were two years ago. By constantly holding on to the thought of what happend will prevent you from enjoying each others company.
if you begin by considering both of yourselves to be different, new (better) individuals who are just getting to know each other and start from scratch. if the past feelings and experiences (bad) keep creeping in at this point, it would not just be difficult, it would be impossible.
There are very few people who take the pains that you are willing to take so hats off to you! and All the luck to you.How can we get touch and intimacy back into our marriage after a terrible period in our lives?
I'm going through the same thing, and wish you luck
Well done you for wanting to try. You have to move on and let the past go and try to see yourself as a new couple. The people who went through the difficult time aren't there anymore, and keep reminding yourself of this if you feel old niggles creeping back.
Try if you can to get out and about and spend time away from the house and familiar surroundings that can pin or tie us to our old selves. If you make time as a couple going for outings, to towns %26amp; places where no-one knows you, you have no distractions and only knowing each other the natural instinct is to be there for each other, won't be so easy to wander off or get caught up doing your own thing. In an unfamiliar surrounding it's also easier to for example 'hold each others hands' it's reassuring and no-one you know is there to judge, it's just the two of you. I don't mean holidays or breaks or whatever, all the better if you can manage that, but simple day trips, jump on a train to a town you've never been to, even if it's just to go for a coffee or look at the buildings parks etc. Leave the car behind so you have to focus on one another and avoid potential stress situations of driving and parking. It needn't be expensive. It's summer and the ideal time to get out and about.
These shared experiences will belong to the two of you exclusively and hopefully as it sounds like you both want to work at it, will bring you closer emotionally making the physical steps that bit easier to build on. Don't be put off if you have a day out and you niggle each other, it doesn't mean failure it just means your normal, just try again another day.
Hope that helps:)
I say that mending your marriage is second, you have to become friends again first and you should just do things friends do till it feels OK again and then see where it goes.
All the best
Accept what happened in the past and move on from there. Realise that you are both different individuals now from what you were two years ago. By constantly holding on to the thought of what happend will prevent you from enjoying each others company.
What to talk when meeting a girl for a pre-marriage meeting?
Hi,
I shall soon be meeting a girl (and a family) whom my parents have chosen for me to get married to.
I will soon be in a situation where I'll find myself sitting alone with the girl, and most importantly required to decide about our married life. If it's going to work or not etc etc...
Can you pls suggest what should be asked (or things) that can be the topic of discussion at the moment.
Thanks,
NWhat to talk when meeting a girl for a pre-marriage meeting?
Ask her does she want a planed marriage that her parent have chosen for her or does she want to marry for love of her own chose.You seem to be relaxed about it I don't stand how you can be but just be yourselfWhat to talk when meeting a girl for a pre-marriage meeting?
Before you marry anyone, you should dicuss things like... children. How many do you want ? how many does she want? When you have children is she going to stay home with them? are they going in day care? Where do you want to live? Is the wife going to work? What is important for you in a wife? What does she excpect from you as a husband? How important is your family going to be in your married life? How important is her family going to be in your married life? What kind of religion will be practiced in the home? What kind of finacial life does she expect? does she expect you be the bread winner? How do each of you feel about divorce? Is it never allowed or are there certian rules?
you know basic stuff... if you dont know what to talk about maybe you shouldnt be getting married.
talk about her families health ,
are they diabetics heart problems, cancers,down syndrome,high pressure, and others.
a lot of health problems are passed down to children.
so if you have kidds they will have the same health issues.
how many kidds are you gonna have?
religion?
where are you gonna be spendding the holidays?
if she will be faithful?
before you get married start a courtship with the woman and take her out to see if you have anything in common
I shall soon be meeting a girl (and a family) whom my parents have chosen for me to get married to.
I will soon be in a situation where I'll find myself sitting alone with the girl, and most importantly required to decide about our married life. If it's going to work or not etc etc...
Can you pls suggest what should be asked (or things) that can be the topic of discussion at the moment.
Thanks,
NWhat to talk when meeting a girl for a pre-marriage meeting?
Ask her does she want a planed marriage that her parent have chosen for her or does she want to marry for love of her own chose.You seem to be relaxed about it I don't stand how you can be but just be yourselfWhat to talk when meeting a girl for a pre-marriage meeting?
Before you marry anyone, you should dicuss things like... children. How many do you want ? how many does she want? When you have children is she going to stay home with them? are they going in day care? Where do you want to live? Is the wife going to work? What is important for you in a wife? What does she excpect from you as a husband? How important is your family going to be in your married life? How important is her family going to be in your married life? What kind of religion will be practiced in the home? What kind of finacial life does she expect? does she expect you be the bread winner? How do each of you feel about divorce? Is it never allowed or are there certian rules?
you know basic stuff... if you dont know what to talk about maybe you shouldnt be getting married.
talk about her families health ,
are they diabetics heart problems, cancers,down syndrome,high pressure, and others.
a lot of health problems are passed down to children.
so if you have kidds they will have the same health issues.
how many kidds are you gonna have?
religion?
where are you gonna be spendding the holidays?
if she will be faithful?
before you get married start a courtship with the woman and take her out to see if you have anything in common
Why do Democrats think that everyone that's against gay marriage is religious?
I haven't been to church since my parent made me when I was a kid %26amp; I am 100% against it. The bible has nothing to do with it.
Why do they paint anyone who has different beliefs as stupid gun toting bible thumping red necks?
Didn't there parent ever teach them about the birds and the bees? Or did they insult %26amp; ignore them too?Why do Democrats think that everyone that's against gay marriage is religious?
Where do you think the majority of the idea of marriage came from? Religion. Not that that is the only source however it is the reason that clergy can marry couples.
The idea that marriage is between man and woman is something your religious parents taught you. If they had taught you that marriage was a union between any two people who loved each other regardless of their gender, you would not likely feel the same way. Religious you might not be, but religion certainly molded your beliefs.
The main push behind keeping gay marriage illegal is also religion, not state or federal law.
And by the way, the ';caliguy'; needs to know what he is talking about before opening his mouth about things way too far above his intelligence level. Gays generally don't are about whether or not it is called marriage or anything else, the fight is for the right to the union and the rights that come along with marriage.
People use the ignorant argument that marriage should be for a man and a woman because of procreation, well then people who are too old to procreate, infertile, or don't plan on having children should then not have the right to marry either. But I am sure someone can come up with another ignorant argument to support that too.Why do Democrats think that everyone that's against gay marriage is religious?
because the primary goal of all liberals is not to have a right it is to defeat Religious group. It is the same image as the palestinians and Israel palestinians will never accept a peace treaty and concessions because what they want is the eradication of Israel in its entirety.
gay and lesbians could just be happy with having civil union and all the same equal rights as married people. But they don't want that they insist on it being called marriage just to piss people off and nothing else.
Marriage came from religion and as far as I know marriage in most religions is between a man and a woman , if there is some religion with another opinion then hell is a place for it's followers , I personally think that gay marriage is not productive rather a sickening idea . I like my friends but not to the extent to get laid with them yuck .
because the Bible is against it, but its really hypocritical bcuz the Bible is also against rape and murder. Should we have those liberties? lol
Because they are all idiots. They are the most immoral people out there so if you dfo anything moarally sound they think your a crazy catholic conservative.
casue the BUTT POLICE NEED A JOB TOO
inspecting lawlless BUTT FFFCKING
A JOB FOR THE GOP ONLY
ha hahahhahahah
apparently your against freedom. live and let live.
because democrats hate Christianity. period.
it's not everyone... just most people...
and you don't say why you're against it?
I don't think that.
Because most people against gay marriage are. Or they're un-informed or bigots. Why do you care what other people do with their private life? It doesn't effect you!
Why do they paint anyone who has different beliefs as stupid gun toting bible thumping red necks?
Didn't there parent ever teach them about the birds and the bees? Or did they insult %26amp; ignore them too?Why do Democrats think that everyone that's against gay marriage is religious?
Where do you think the majority of the idea of marriage came from? Religion. Not that that is the only source however it is the reason that clergy can marry couples.
The idea that marriage is between man and woman is something your religious parents taught you. If they had taught you that marriage was a union between any two people who loved each other regardless of their gender, you would not likely feel the same way. Religious you might not be, but religion certainly molded your beliefs.
The main push behind keeping gay marriage illegal is also religion, not state or federal law.
And by the way, the ';caliguy'; needs to know what he is talking about before opening his mouth about things way too far above his intelligence level. Gays generally don't are about whether or not it is called marriage or anything else, the fight is for the right to the union and the rights that come along with marriage.
People use the ignorant argument that marriage should be for a man and a woman because of procreation, well then people who are too old to procreate, infertile, or don't plan on having children should then not have the right to marry either. But I am sure someone can come up with another ignorant argument to support that too.Why do Democrats think that everyone that's against gay marriage is religious?
because the primary goal of all liberals is not to have a right it is to defeat Religious group. It is the same image as the palestinians and Israel palestinians will never accept a peace treaty and concessions because what they want is the eradication of Israel in its entirety.
gay and lesbians could just be happy with having civil union and all the same equal rights as married people. But they don't want that they insist on it being called marriage just to piss people off and nothing else.
Marriage came from religion and as far as I know marriage in most religions is between a man and a woman , if there is some religion with another opinion then hell is a place for it's followers , I personally think that gay marriage is not productive rather a sickening idea . I like my friends but not to the extent to get laid with them yuck .
because the Bible is against it, but its really hypocritical bcuz the Bible is also against rape and murder. Should we have those liberties? lol
Because they are all idiots. They are the most immoral people out there so if you dfo anything moarally sound they think your a crazy catholic conservative.
casue the BUTT POLICE NEED A JOB TOO
inspecting lawlless BUTT FFFCKING
A JOB FOR THE GOP ONLY
ha hahahhahahah
apparently your against freedom. live and let live.
because democrats hate Christianity. period.
it's not everyone... just most people...
and you don't say why you're against it?
I don't think that.
Because most people against gay marriage are. Or they're un-informed or bigots. Why do you care what other people do with their private life? It doesn't effect you!
What would a marriage proposal from Alan Greenspan sound like?
Greenspan was known for making cryptic carefully worded statements when testifying before Congress. I heard that he had to ask Andrea Mitchell 3 times before she understood what he was asking.
Would he phrase it as a tax issue like the Danny Glover character in the Royal Tenenbaums?What would a marriage proposal from Alan Greenspan sound like?
It would probably include the phases ';irrational exuberance'; and ';protracted residential arrangements to be rectified';
You are funny to think of this questions. I am going to check back to see more answers!What would a marriage proposal from Alan Greenspan sound like?
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';hey baby, I singlehandedly started the destruction of the American dollar.... wanna get married?';
Would he phrase it as a tax issue like the Danny Glover character in the Royal Tenenbaums?What would a marriage proposal from Alan Greenspan sound like?
It would probably include the phases ';irrational exuberance'; and ';protracted residential arrangements to be rectified';
You are funny to think of this questions. I am going to check back to see more answers!What would a marriage proposal from Alan Greenspan sound like?
Alan Greenspan MP3 http://buymp3musiconline.net/m鈥?/a>
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How do you know when you need to see a Marriage Counselor?
Stupied question right? And if i'm asking this question on a social network then i've probably already answered my own Q: but if you're at the point where you feel you need to see one, then you're in a bad place right? and if you're there U-Turns are not allowed. So I guess i'm looking for someone to co-sign or tell me i'm wrong.How do you know when you need to see a Marriage Counselor?
Go to counseling, if you feel you need to.
IMO, counseling will only work, if BOTH of you really want to make positive changes and to deal with your issues.
I hope it works for you.
Best of Luck.How do you know when you need to see a Marriage Counselor?
It's better to see a couples counselor BEFORE the major issues arise. Too many people think couples counseling is a last ditch resort, so they wait until all of their issues stock pile up, then it's so much stuff to wade through to work out. Don't let it get to that point. If you're having marital issues, even minor ones, that you're not resolving on your own, see a couples counseling. It's better to go for a few sessions now to resolve things, than to go for months or years of counseling down the road when you're on the brink of divorce and you're both unhappy and impatiently waiting results of counseling.
Not necessarily...my husband always wants to go to counseling...but for petty stuff. Seriously, if the behavior is harmful you need counseling. If you're bickering about household chores or other petty nonsense, that stuff you can work out at home with some honest talk and sensible solutions...If you're going to pay for counseling, it's gotta be for serious deep rooted problems that multiple sessions with a professional can help to heal/correct.
It really isn't as bad as it seems or may appear...it is a form of trying to get help to keep things from getting worse. Listen, sometimes life just gets to us and we lose each others ability to communicate. Marriage counseling is a way to help you recapture that magic that you once had. The ability to be open and understanding. It takes you back to your roots of how you first saw each other and what it would mean to lose one another..it makes you see what you have not been able to see and gives you fresh ides to spark that desire to be more with each other. You go because you don't want to give up...kinda like when you get a tooth ache it is better to go soon so you can get it fixed...easy way...fast...and be able to hold onto that tooth for a many more years. Don't make a U-turn that might be what you regret in the end... it may not be easy finding out things..but keep an open mind and remember that you are there to find each other and fix this and love again..a lot!! Best of wishes think positive..
When your not getting along, When you can't remember the last time you made love, When you can't communicate without arguing, When you haven't spoken a word to each other for days or weeks, and When both of you go to bed unhappy because you don't know what's wrong or how to fix things, then it's time for marriage counseling.
Yes, you're in a bad spot.
But, you really need to see one when you start to really be abnormally disgusted with your spouse.
Theraphy saved my marraige. I would say iots needed when bith parties want to make it work but doing it alone seems impossible. Like if the love is there but the trust is not.
You have answered your question.
When neither you or the spouse is happy.
Keep looking.
Go to counseling, if you feel you need to.
IMO, counseling will only work, if BOTH of you really want to make positive changes and to deal with your issues.
I hope it works for you.
Best of Luck.How do you know when you need to see a Marriage Counselor?
It's better to see a couples counselor BEFORE the major issues arise. Too many people think couples counseling is a last ditch resort, so they wait until all of their issues stock pile up, then it's so much stuff to wade through to work out. Don't let it get to that point. If you're having marital issues, even minor ones, that you're not resolving on your own, see a couples counseling. It's better to go for a few sessions now to resolve things, than to go for months or years of counseling down the road when you're on the brink of divorce and you're both unhappy and impatiently waiting results of counseling.
Not necessarily...my husband always wants to go to counseling...but for petty stuff. Seriously, if the behavior is harmful you need counseling. If you're bickering about household chores or other petty nonsense, that stuff you can work out at home with some honest talk and sensible solutions...If you're going to pay for counseling, it's gotta be for serious deep rooted problems that multiple sessions with a professional can help to heal/correct.
It really isn't as bad as it seems or may appear...it is a form of trying to get help to keep things from getting worse. Listen, sometimes life just gets to us and we lose each others ability to communicate. Marriage counseling is a way to help you recapture that magic that you once had. The ability to be open and understanding. It takes you back to your roots of how you first saw each other and what it would mean to lose one another..it makes you see what you have not been able to see and gives you fresh ides to spark that desire to be more with each other. You go because you don't want to give up...kinda like when you get a tooth ache it is better to go soon so you can get it fixed...easy way...fast...and be able to hold onto that tooth for a many more years. Don't make a U-turn that might be what you regret in the end... it may not be easy finding out things..but keep an open mind and remember that you are there to find each other and fix this and love again..a lot!! Best of wishes think positive..
When your not getting along, When you can't remember the last time you made love, When you can't communicate without arguing, When you haven't spoken a word to each other for days or weeks, and When both of you go to bed unhappy because you don't know what's wrong or how to fix things, then it's time for marriage counseling.
Yes, you're in a bad spot.
But, you really need to see one when you start to really be abnormally disgusted with your spouse.
Theraphy saved my marraige. I would say iots needed when bith parties want to make it work but doing it alone seems impossible. Like if the love is there but the trust is not.
You have answered your question.
When neither you or the spouse is happy.
Keep looking.
What is a guy's motive who rushes a girl into living together and asks for marriage after 2-3 dates?
Both girl and guy just left relationships a week before dating, and the guy has two little kids, girl is only 19 and guy is late 20's.What is a guy's motive who rushes a girl into living together and asks for marriage after 2-3 dates?
sexWhat is a guy's motive who rushes a girl into living together and asks for marriage after 2-3 dates?
Well considering not all guys are douche bags... I'd say his motive is probably what he says he wants... Marriage and Living together.. Is it really that hard to grasp? Why do all girls think a guy that wants marriage has a motive.
Guy: Will you marry me?
Girl: *thinking to self* What does he want from me?
Guy: Uhm... Hello?
Girl: *I hope he doesnt have bad credit*
Guy: Hmm...
Girl: I dunno.
Yeah, what ever happened to a guy just thinking about marriage because he wants well.... To get married?
Maybe he really likes her and wants to hold onto her. If I were her, I would run for the hills. If, by his late 20s, a guy doesn't understand that you don't know somebody well enough to propose after 2-3 dates, he is not right in the head.
that depends...how do YOU feel? My fiance and I knew we would be together after just a few dates, and we couldn't have been more in tune...there's a term for it if its the real thing - Soul Mates.
Needs a babysitter, needs money, needs sex....
I need a diaper
Marry the girl... divorce her... take half her ****... use it for his own gain.
He sounds desperate. He probably thinks it will be hard to find a woman since he has two children and is moving too quickly to try to harness the new woman into a serious relationship.
umm his motive?
get laid, get married.
or just get laid.
or married.
rape
Sounds like he is wanting somebody to sleep with, babysit his kids and help pay rent.
gosh, don't mess with him,gurrrrrrrrrrrl
he wants stability i would say and is just very emotional at the time and wants a woman figure to help him along with everything. tell him to slow down, its much to soon for all that
he misses mommy
It's called codependency. There is a joke that goes
Q: ';How do you know if someone is codependent?';
A: ';If the bring a UHaul on the second date';
This is common with people who have addictive personalities...alcoholics, sex addicts, etc...
he's an obessive psycho. They are both moving way too fast. is she pregnant?
because he has kids. and what young girl wants to marry a guy that has kids? she doesnt want to babysit them all day! man,this is her prime where she is getting her career started, partying and having the time of her life. if this question is about you my suggestion is run, run now!
yuck
Hes a total loser, stay away!
sex or in the military pay raise?
Desperation. He wants a housekeeper and a mother for his children. Don't fall for it.
He probably wants a wife
sounds like the guy is psycho..
He's desperate. He doesn't even know you in that amount of time and he wants you to live with him? He needs a babysitter or he has some other agenda. RUN.
One of two possibilities..
Insecurity..
or
Free Childcare!
But hey, my parents married eight days after they met in 1962 - and held it together until Mom passed away in 2000. So who knows?
dont do it!!!
insecurity bordering on mental illness
Dude's scary. Girl should run!!
hes probly fu***** crazy and doesnt even know his own motive
Crazy as hell!!!! Run for your life!lip gloss
sexWhat is a guy's motive who rushes a girl into living together and asks for marriage after 2-3 dates?
Well considering not all guys are douche bags... I'd say his motive is probably what he says he wants... Marriage and Living together.. Is it really that hard to grasp? Why do all girls think a guy that wants marriage has a motive.
Guy: Will you marry me?
Girl: *thinking to self* What does he want from me?
Guy: Uhm... Hello?
Girl: *I hope he doesnt have bad credit*
Guy: Hmm...
Girl: I dunno.
Yeah, what ever happened to a guy just thinking about marriage because he wants well.... To get married?
Maybe he really likes her and wants to hold onto her. If I were her, I would run for the hills. If, by his late 20s, a guy doesn't understand that you don't know somebody well enough to propose after 2-3 dates, he is not right in the head.
that depends...how do YOU feel? My fiance and I knew we would be together after just a few dates, and we couldn't have been more in tune...there's a term for it if its the real thing - Soul Mates.
Needs a babysitter, needs money, needs sex....
I need a diaper
Marry the girl... divorce her... take half her ****... use it for his own gain.
He sounds desperate. He probably thinks it will be hard to find a woman since he has two children and is moving too quickly to try to harness the new woman into a serious relationship.
umm his motive?
get laid, get married.
or just get laid.
or married.
rape
Sounds like he is wanting somebody to sleep with, babysit his kids and help pay rent.
gosh, don't mess with him,gurrrrrrrrrrrl
he wants stability i would say and is just very emotional at the time and wants a woman figure to help him along with everything. tell him to slow down, its much to soon for all that
he misses mommy
It's called codependency. There is a joke that goes
Q: ';How do you know if someone is codependent?';
A: ';If the bring a UHaul on the second date';
This is common with people who have addictive personalities...alcoholics, sex addicts, etc...
he's an obessive psycho. They are both moving way too fast. is she pregnant?
because he has kids. and what young girl wants to marry a guy that has kids? she doesnt want to babysit them all day! man,this is her prime where she is getting her career started, partying and having the time of her life. if this question is about you my suggestion is run, run now!
yuck
Hes a total loser, stay away!
sex or in the military pay raise?
Desperation. He wants a housekeeper and a mother for his children. Don't fall for it.
He probably wants a wife
sounds like the guy is psycho..
He's desperate. He doesn't even know you in that amount of time and he wants you to live with him? He needs a babysitter or he has some other agenda. RUN.
One of two possibilities..
Insecurity..
or
Free Childcare!
But hey, my parents married eight days after they met in 1962 - and held it together until Mom passed away in 2000. So who knows?
dont do it!!!
insecurity bordering on mental illness
Dude's scary. Girl should run!!
hes probly fu***** crazy and doesnt even know his own motive
Crazy as hell!!!! Run for your life!
Is it necessary to make a boy friend before marriage ?
Please protect your life because we are not animal . Is it necessary to make a boy friend before marriage ?
I had trouble understanding you.
Most people have a guy as their boyfriend before they marry him but some people go for arranged marriages.
There's no compulsion to have a different boyfriend before you get married. But there is nothing wrong with having a boyfriend/sex before considering marriage.
Harriet Is it necessary to make a boy friend before marriage ?
no it's not necessary ..it's depend's upon what type of girl you are....why you wrote that we are not animals ...i think you are hurt by someone he did something wrong with you ....God bless you ..Blieve in love ...love is everything ....we need boyfriend to share a part of life with them ...we blieve on them that one day he will marry us and be a good husband ...but in many cases this all goes wrong he left us ..this is not the end of life that inciddent grows you as more mastured ...god bless you
I do not understand, Are you refering to arranged marriage?
I think your wish is stop the sex before marriage ?
I had trouble understanding you.
Most people have a guy as their boyfriend before they marry him but some people go for arranged marriages.
There's no compulsion to have a different boyfriend before you get married. But there is nothing wrong with having a boyfriend/sex before considering marriage.
Harriet Is it necessary to make a boy friend before marriage ?
no it's not necessary ..it's depend's upon what type of girl you are....why you wrote that we are not animals ...i think you are hurt by someone he did something wrong with you ....God bless you ..Blieve in love ...love is everything ....we need boyfriend to share a part of life with them ...we blieve on them that one day he will marry us and be a good husband ...but in many cases this all goes wrong he left us ..this is not the end of life that inciddent grows you as more mastured ...god bless you
I do not understand, Are you refering to arranged marriage?
I think your wish is stop the sex before marriage ?
When Gay marriage comes up, why is the religion card put into play?
I have read the bible many times and cant find a single reason gay marriage is a religious matter.When Gay marriage comes up, why is the religion card put into play?
simply put because ';Marriage'; is a religious practice. Why it always ends up being argued that it is against Christianity I haven't really figured out because Christians aren't the only ones who get married. Many religions have marriage customs. My friend who is gay decided to have a Pagan Handfasting Ceremony. But due to the fact that the state follows Christian views on marriage, it is not legal by the state.When Gay marriage comes up, why is the religion card put into play?
Because the Bible states clearly that homosexuality is unnatural and an abomination to God. And that marriage is defined as a man and a woman.
You might wanna read your Bible again.
Genesis 2:24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
Romans 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
In Christianity, marriage or holy matrimony is considered a sacrament, or a way to become closer to God. In Genesis, with the creation of Adam and Eve, God established the covenant of partnership between a man and a woman. There are numerous examples where the bible specifically speaks out against homosexual relationships, but here are just a few verses: Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Lev 18:22-23.
Whether or not you agree with these verses, you must admit that marriage is a holy sacrament, and states and courts just carry out that sacrament in a legal manner. The definition of marriage can not be extended in any way, it is defined as the union between one man and one woman. Now, Gay people don't have to be singled out, but a union between two people of the same gender should not be considered marriage. Call it a civil union, whatever, but in the true context, it is not marriage.
you may have read the bible but you definitely missed the parts that say that homosexuality is a sin. If homosexuality is a sin, (which it is) then gay marriage falls into that category. As you call it, the religion card is played not because it is a religion issue, it is called because it IS WHAT GOD'S WORD says. Show me in scripture where I am wrong that homosexuality is not a sin. You won't find it!
The reason why the ';religion card'; is put into play is that when God created the world he instituted marriage Genesis 2 ';For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.'; One man shall be united with one Woman (his wife) and they will be joined in marriage (become one flesh). That is why it is a religious matter.
Because although we are supposed to have separation of church and state, this country has traditionally allowed marriage to straddle the lines between both. A possible solution is to take the word ';marriage'; out of all civil documents and leave it for the churches. All couples, gay or straight, can be allowed to wed in a civil ceremony with the same rights as a church marriage. The leaders of churches can determine whether or not they marry gay or straight couples, based on their religious beliefs or what their congregation supports. This solution would uphold the constitution and allow us to further practice what we preach: religious freedom and equal pursuit of happiness.
It is mainly due to the fact that Christians believe it is against the Bible. They say that the Sodom and Gommorrah story alludes to the consequences of gay sex, as well as another place in the Bible it talks about it being against it.
But I believe that man has greatly misinterpreted the Bible in many ways. I don't think that anythign in the Bible was meant to be taken literally, I believe it was a book written to teach us the moral lessons of life.
As for gay marriage directly, there is nothing. It's just against gay sex.
Peace.
';Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.';
Does the Bible say anything about homosexuality... I'd go ahead and say ';yes';
I agree that there's not a prohibition against gay marriage in the Bible.
The ';one flesh'; argument is really all they got. And anyone with a third-grade reading level can see that a man being one flesh with a woman doesn't prohibit other kinds of relationships.
Here are a lot of biblical, religious reasons against gay marriage 鈥?http://www.jimfeeney.org/againstgaymarri鈥?/a>
The only objections to same-sex marriage are religious.
They come from a couple of verses in Leviticus and an ambiguous text in Romans.
Because the Bible gives more authority than a person speaking on his own saying essentially ' I'm straight and I wouldn't marry anyone of the same sex because I think it's yucky' Bleaaaah icky
I suspect it is due to the total ignorance and intolerance of the Christian right.
simply put because ';Marriage'; is a religious practice. Why it always ends up being argued that it is against Christianity I haven't really figured out because Christians aren't the only ones who get married. Many religions have marriage customs. My friend who is gay decided to have a Pagan Handfasting Ceremony. But due to the fact that the state follows Christian views on marriage, it is not legal by the state.When Gay marriage comes up, why is the religion card put into play?
Because the Bible states clearly that homosexuality is unnatural and an abomination to God. And that marriage is defined as a man and a woman.
You might wanna read your Bible again.
Genesis 2:24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
Romans 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
In Christianity, marriage or holy matrimony is considered a sacrament, or a way to become closer to God. In Genesis, with the creation of Adam and Eve, God established the covenant of partnership between a man and a woman. There are numerous examples where the bible specifically speaks out against homosexual relationships, but here are just a few verses: Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Lev 18:22-23.
Whether or not you agree with these verses, you must admit that marriage is a holy sacrament, and states and courts just carry out that sacrament in a legal manner. The definition of marriage can not be extended in any way, it is defined as the union between one man and one woman. Now, Gay people don't have to be singled out, but a union between two people of the same gender should not be considered marriage. Call it a civil union, whatever, but in the true context, it is not marriage.
you may have read the bible but you definitely missed the parts that say that homosexuality is a sin. If homosexuality is a sin, (which it is) then gay marriage falls into that category. As you call it, the religion card is played not because it is a religion issue, it is called because it IS WHAT GOD'S WORD says. Show me in scripture where I am wrong that homosexuality is not a sin. You won't find it!
The reason why the ';religion card'; is put into play is that when God created the world he instituted marriage Genesis 2 ';For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.'; One man shall be united with one Woman (his wife) and they will be joined in marriage (become one flesh). That is why it is a religious matter.
Because although we are supposed to have separation of church and state, this country has traditionally allowed marriage to straddle the lines between both. A possible solution is to take the word ';marriage'; out of all civil documents and leave it for the churches. All couples, gay or straight, can be allowed to wed in a civil ceremony with the same rights as a church marriage. The leaders of churches can determine whether or not they marry gay or straight couples, based on their religious beliefs or what their congregation supports. This solution would uphold the constitution and allow us to further practice what we preach: religious freedom and equal pursuit of happiness.
It is mainly due to the fact that Christians believe it is against the Bible. They say that the Sodom and Gommorrah story alludes to the consequences of gay sex, as well as another place in the Bible it talks about it being against it.
But I believe that man has greatly misinterpreted the Bible in many ways. I don't think that anythign in the Bible was meant to be taken literally, I believe it was a book written to teach us the moral lessons of life.
As for gay marriage directly, there is nothing. It's just against gay sex.
Peace.
';Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.';
Does the Bible say anything about homosexuality... I'd go ahead and say ';yes';
I agree that there's not a prohibition against gay marriage in the Bible.
The ';one flesh'; argument is really all they got. And anyone with a third-grade reading level can see that a man being one flesh with a woman doesn't prohibit other kinds of relationships.
Here are a lot of biblical, religious reasons against gay marriage 鈥?http://www.jimfeeney.org/againstgaymarri鈥?/a>
The only objections to same-sex marriage are religious.
They come from a couple of verses in Leviticus and an ambiguous text in Romans.
Because the Bible gives more authority than a person speaking on his own saying essentially ' I'm straight and I wouldn't marry anyone of the same sex because I think it's yucky' Bleaaaah icky
I suspect it is due to the total ignorance and intolerance of the Christian right.
Why have all the states that have legalized gay marriage overwhelmingly white with few immigrants?
Vermont, Iowa, Connecticut, Maine, New Hampshire, even Massachusetts despite its diverse population is only 7% black with a small percentage of immigrants coming from Portugal and Brazil.Why have all the states that have legalized gay marriage overwhelmingly white with few immigrants?
A recent study shows that black Americans in college are against gay marriage by 59% compared with white college students who are against it by a mere 12%. Whites are far more progressive on social issues than blacks. Blacks are just liberal on economic issues like welfare.Why have all the states that have legalized gay marriage overwhelmingly white with few immigrants?
If there's any connection between racial cultures and acceptance of Gay Marriage, it is this:
White families have a longer history in the United States and a deeper understanding of the way Civil Rights have developed in the USA over time. Some 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are coming from countries where oppression is the norm and getting fed means taking food from someone else's plate.
Furthermore, White Liberal Socialist Countries (like all the one's that have Federal laws supporting Gay Marriage and Civil Unions) have been much gentler and productive over the years than the Socialist nations of South America, Africa and the Middle East.
But really, I argue that ';blacks'; are not any more homophobic than whites... In fact, 65% of Obama's voters voted AGAINST proposition 8 while 90% of McCain voters voted FOR it... and we all know that McCain's voters were white.
Making something legal does not make it right.
It became legal because a particular group of politicians voted in favour of the legislation, (very often by a small margin or by those following the party line).
It would just be as simple for another group of politicians to vote against the legislation.
Because white people--especially well-to-do white males---are intolerant monsters who are racist to boot. They have a viral fear of everything that isn't lily-white and exactly like them that they will provoke anything from rallies to violence to ';promote'; their cause. They...
...hey...
...wait a minute.
Study after study, poll after poll shows over and over and over that whites are far more tolerant of social change and gays than blacks---overwhelmingly! Even white high school drop outs are more likely to support gay rights issues than college educated blacks. Just look at how much Obama has done for gays. NOTHING! He won't even talk about it anymore!
New England has a different mindset from the rest of the nation.
In the South it's 100% about religion. Nothing gets done in Texass without approval from the Southern Baptist Church.
Because immigrants tend to bring with them their old cultures and customs which are not that hip compared to 2nd generation Americans and beyond. Opinion polls also show time and again that blacks are far less tolerant of gays than whites.
gay rights groups are too busy going after those dastardly Mormons who make up a mere 0.6% of the US population than to bother themselves with blacks and latinos who will in the next 20 years systematically do away with every gay right achieved since Stonewall
Liberals have learned the hard way that their anti-white pro browning of America has had some serious side effects if all of America looked like Iowa then Gays would have marriage in every state except for the South ;) Karma's a ***** White haters =D
Or at least not overwhelmingly LDS and Catholic/conservative Christian!
Catholics.
How many of those states actually allowed the people to vote on it? The results would be very different if that were the case.
because most white people suck and should be killed not all white people just most
A recent study shows that black Americans in college are against gay marriage by 59% compared with white college students who are against it by a mere 12%. Whites are far more progressive on social issues than blacks. Blacks are just liberal on economic issues like welfare.Why have all the states that have legalized gay marriage overwhelmingly white with few immigrants?
If there's any connection between racial cultures and acceptance of Gay Marriage, it is this:
White families have a longer history in the United States and a deeper understanding of the way Civil Rights have developed in the USA over time. Some 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are coming from countries where oppression is the norm and getting fed means taking food from someone else's plate.
Furthermore, White Liberal Socialist Countries (like all the one's that have Federal laws supporting Gay Marriage and Civil Unions) have been much gentler and productive over the years than the Socialist nations of South America, Africa and the Middle East.
But really, I argue that ';blacks'; are not any more homophobic than whites... In fact, 65% of Obama's voters voted AGAINST proposition 8 while 90% of McCain voters voted FOR it... and we all know that McCain's voters were white.
Making something legal does not make it right.
It became legal because a particular group of politicians voted in favour of the legislation, (very often by a small margin or by those following the party line).
It would just be as simple for another group of politicians to vote against the legislation.
Because white people--especially well-to-do white males---are intolerant monsters who are racist to boot. They have a viral fear of everything that isn't lily-white and exactly like them that they will provoke anything from rallies to violence to ';promote'; their cause. They...
...hey...
...wait a minute.
Study after study, poll after poll shows over and over and over that whites are far more tolerant of social change and gays than blacks---overwhelmingly! Even white high school drop outs are more likely to support gay rights issues than college educated blacks. Just look at how much Obama has done for gays. NOTHING! He won't even talk about it anymore!
New England has a different mindset from the rest of the nation.
In the South it's 100% about religion. Nothing gets done in Texass without approval from the Southern Baptist Church.
Because immigrants tend to bring with them their old cultures and customs which are not that hip compared to 2nd generation Americans and beyond. Opinion polls also show time and again that blacks are far less tolerant of gays than whites.
gay rights groups are too busy going after those dastardly Mormons who make up a mere 0.6% of the US population than to bother themselves with blacks and latinos who will in the next 20 years systematically do away with every gay right achieved since Stonewall
Liberals have learned the hard way that their anti-white pro browning of America has had some serious side effects if all of America looked like Iowa then Gays would have marriage in every state except for the South ;) Karma's a ***** White haters =D
Or at least not overwhelmingly LDS and Catholic/conservative Christian!
Catholics.
How many of those states actually allowed the people to vote on it? The results would be very different if that were the case.
because most white people suck and should be killed not all white people just most
Should individual states have the right to make gay marriage legal in their state?
Yes, individual states should have the right to make gay marriage legal, however the federal government does have to step up and make a decision as well. A main reason for people wanting gay marriage beyond the issue of equality is the issue that married couples currently get tax benefits and other benefits from the federal government as a result of being married. If the federal government doesn't recognize a same-sex union, the same-sex couple cannot receieve the federal benefits, which is still inequality.
It shouldn't be up to the voters of the state whether to allow same-sex marriage or to not allow it because it is a decision that only impacts a minority group. I shouldn't have the right to vote on equality issues that only impacts 10% or less of the population. If people voted on equality issues, women and African-Americans may have never been given the right to vote, or African-Americans would continue to be slaves and be treated as second rate citizens. Or at least it would have taken our nation a lot longer to fix these things. Interracial marriages were highly unpopular and banned in much of the country until it was legalized. We'd possibly still have that fight going on today if the people had a vote. We can't allow a mob to rule for the minority, especially when it is such a sensitive subject that many people are ignorant about.
A reason a lot of people are against same-sex marriage is because they feel their religious institution will have to recognize it. This is simply untrue. There is a difference between a religious marriage and a civil marriage. The government should allow two consenting adults to marry, regardless and allow the religious institutions to recognize or not recognize a religious marriage. Government isn't meant to regulate religious marriage, and shouldn't.Should individual states have the right to make gay marriage legal in their state?
It should be legal everywhere. I've heard people saying ';it goes against god'; ';it says in the bible...'; blah blah blah. What does the bible have to do with law? I thought they were supposed to be seperate, and if you believe in God you must know that he will pass judgement, it's not up to busy bodies who want to get into everyone's business. I say live and let live, gay people aren't hurting anyone by getting married or having kids. People probably said the same things about inter-racial marriage back in the 50's.Should individual states have the right to make gay marriage legal in their state?
No i tink a big widely disputed topic needs to be decided by the country as a whole. I think it also helps to unify the country.. If different states have completly different laws i dont think that would be good for unity
I think it is best left to the voters in each state. That way only a handful will legalize it as the majority of the country has better sense.
no. the federal government is supposed to protect all US citizens' rights, and it should therefore make gay marriage legal everywhere.
yes they are given the right by the constitution... they might lose federal funding but they are allowed... i dont personally agree with gay marriage but it is up to the state
I cannot believe that the topic of gay marriage is even debatable. The federal government should make it legal throughout the entire country.
Yes.
Read the Constitution. Then re-read the 10th amendment.
It shouldn't be up to the voters of the state whether to allow same-sex marriage or to not allow it because it is a decision that only impacts a minority group. I shouldn't have the right to vote on equality issues that only impacts 10% or less of the population. If people voted on equality issues, women and African-Americans may have never been given the right to vote, or African-Americans would continue to be slaves and be treated as second rate citizens. Or at least it would have taken our nation a lot longer to fix these things. Interracial marriages were highly unpopular and banned in much of the country until it was legalized. We'd possibly still have that fight going on today if the people had a vote. We can't allow a mob to rule for the minority, especially when it is such a sensitive subject that many people are ignorant about.
A reason a lot of people are against same-sex marriage is because they feel their religious institution will have to recognize it. This is simply untrue. There is a difference between a religious marriage and a civil marriage. The government should allow two consenting adults to marry, regardless and allow the religious institutions to recognize or not recognize a religious marriage. Government isn't meant to regulate religious marriage, and shouldn't.Should individual states have the right to make gay marriage legal in their state?
It should be legal everywhere. I've heard people saying ';it goes against god'; ';it says in the bible...'; blah blah blah. What does the bible have to do with law? I thought they were supposed to be seperate, and if you believe in God you must know that he will pass judgement, it's not up to busy bodies who want to get into everyone's business. I say live and let live, gay people aren't hurting anyone by getting married or having kids. People probably said the same things about inter-racial marriage back in the 50's.Should individual states have the right to make gay marriage legal in their state?
No i tink a big widely disputed topic needs to be decided by the country as a whole. I think it also helps to unify the country.. If different states have completly different laws i dont think that would be good for unity
I think it is best left to the voters in each state. That way only a handful will legalize it as the majority of the country has better sense.
no. the federal government is supposed to protect all US citizens' rights, and it should therefore make gay marriage legal everywhere.
yes they are given the right by the constitution... they might lose federal funding but they are allowed... i dont personally agree with gay marriage but it is up to the state
I cannot believe that the topic of gay marriage is even debatable. The federal government should make it legal throughout the entire country.
Yes.
Read the Constitution. Then re-read the 10th amendment.
Is there a online site where I can research laws of the state of Florida regarding marriage?
I am considering getting married( for the first time) and I am very concerned about some legal aspects of marriage. I live in Florida and I own my own residence and do not want to lose my place if I was to get divorced. I basically want to protect my assets if any unforseen circumstance arises and need to know the laws before I go any further. I would greatly appreciate any help regarding this.Is there a online site where I can research laws of the state of Florida regarding marriage?
Try these 2 links
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/inde鈥?/a>
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Welcome/index鈥?/a>Is there a online site where I can research laws of the state of Florida regarding marriage?
Read here:
http://www.weblocator.com/attorney/fl/la鈥?/a>
And if you are concerned about keeping your property if the marriage should end, I'd suggest you contact an attorney regarding a prenuptual agreement.
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Try these 2 links
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/inde鈥?/a>
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Welcome/index鈥?/a>Is there a online site where I can research laws of the state of Florida regarding marriage?
Read here:
http://www.weblocator.com/attorney/fl/la鈥?/a>
And if you are concerned about keeping your property if the marriage should end, I'd suggest you contact an attorney regarding a prenuptual agreement.
http://www.divorcenet.com/states/florida鈥?/a>
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