I can but it is based on bashing religion.
I don't think that will go to well with your dad.
The same Bible he uses was used by Southern Baptists from the past in support of slavery. How can anybody use a book that had something as fundamental as slavery wrong? In both the New and Old Testament, the Bible supports slavery.
It was not too long ago that religious southern schools like Bob Jones University were using the Bible in defense of their anti-interracial dating rules.
NONRELIGIOUS ARGUMENT.
People do not choose their sexual orientation. You cannot raise a boy as a girl and expect him to like boys. It's been tried. Tell him about David Reimer and that quack psychologist John Money. David's penis was chopped off when he was a baby. Money told the parents to raise him as a girl because he believed sexual orientation was based on environment, not genetics. He was wrong. Long story short, both David and his brother commit suicide.Help! How do I convince my Conservative-Christian dad that there is nothing wrong with gay marriage?
Not a direct answer to your question, but to respond to those who recommend you read Leviticus. Below are the pertinent parts of Chapter 20 with my comments in brackets. Unless everyone on this site and in this country wants to adhere to every single command in this chapter, I suggest they stop cherry-picking the one verse that proves their point.
20:9
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. [';I hate you, Mom';; ';Damn you, Dad--you make me so angry';; ';I'd like to kill you!';--all things teens say in one form or another. Put all those teens to death.]
20:10
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. [OK, all you married guys--if you have committed adultery, we have to put you to death!]
20:11
And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
20:12
And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them. [Every guy who has slept with his son's wife--put to death. OK.]
20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
20:14
And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
20:15
And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. [All those guys in Wyoming or wherever who have sex with sheep? Put them to death?]
20:16
And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
20:17
And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter, and see her nakedness, and she see his nakedness; it is a wicked thing; and they shall be cut off in the sight of their people: he hath uncovered his sister's nakedness; he shall bear his iniquity. [Have none of your answerers seen their sister's nakedness?]
20:18
And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people. [I guess none of these good Christians advising you have ever had sex at that time of the month? If they have, were they cut off from their people?]
20:19
And thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister, nor of thy father's sister: for he uncovereth his near kin: they shall bear their iniquity.
20:20
And if a man shall lie with his uncle's wife, he hath uncovered his uncle's nakedness: they shall bear their sin; they shall die childless.
20:21
And if a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing: he hath uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless.
20:22
Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out.
20:23
And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.
20:24
But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people.
20:25
Ye shall therefore put difference between clean beasts and unclean, and between unclean fowls and clean: and ye shall not make your souls abominable by beast, or by fowl, or by any manner of living thing that creepeth on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean. [Wouldn't this do away with most of the animals we Americans eat?]
20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.
20:27
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. [Psychics, astrologers, magicians--all stoned to death?]
A better question. How does he convince you that there IS something wrong with altering a 3000 yr old tradition to accomodate a vast minority and offend a majority?
Why cant they be at peace with civil unions? Why do they have to have a title? Marriage is a contract between man, woman and God.
Can you give me a good and valid argument why it's not considered a mental disorder?
I'd say take marriage out of it. Part of the problem with the debate is that marriage is both a time-honored religious institution, and a legal term for a socio-economic partnership. Those two definitions should not be entertwined.
Currently, in most states, including this one, two or more consenting adults can do just about anything to eachother that they want (in private), married or not. Banning persons who engage in certain of those activities from getting hitched isn't going to stop those activities (and violates the constitutional implied right to privacy, in any case). OTOH, if two people want a certain legal status - currently called marriage - with respect to eachother, they are under no obligation to perform specific acts together, if neither of them want to.
If marriage is taken out of the legal codex and replaced with 'civil union' or some such, and who gets married in a religious ceremony is left entirely up to the church performing the ceremony, wouldn't it be all right to let any two (or more) persons enter into a 'civil union' that, legally, has nothing to do with religion or 'behind closed doors' consenting-adult type activities, but merely with how the law treats those entering into the legal arrangement?
An opinion based on religious principle is unchangeable. Particularly with support from sacred text.
The issue for me is whether we can truly consider this a Christian nation any longer, after the past 40 years of societal erosion of Christian values.
The best argument in favor of gay marriage is that the state has no business legislating marriage to begin with; therefore, any religion which wishes to marry gays should be free to do so. The only legitimate involvement of the state in marriage is the control and protection of offspring. Incidentally, this is also the best non-religious argument against gay marriage.
Being married has nothing to do with faith, it has to do with love. Gay or straight.... Love doesn't discriminate. (That kind of rhymes. LOL)
Simple, the government has no business basing laws on religious beliefs. Talk about equal protection of the law.
There is no 3000 year tradition of marriage in the United States. Tradition is a bad defense for continuing to do something wrong. Early biblical followers sacrificed animals. Maybe we should do that, there is a longer tradition.
To really make sense of it all we have to look at what marriage in the US really is. Since the US does not have an official religion all legal marriages are civil marriages. A civil marriage grants the parties certain rights and responsibilities. All marriages granted by states are ';civil unions';. Why is it appropriate to discriminate against some people by cheapening their relationship because you do not agree with their lifestyle? Remember, these arguments against same-sex marriages were also used to prevent blacks from marrying. Let’s not get in to the next people will be marring dogs or furniture bs.
Religious marriage is appropriately regulated by the church. They can either accept or reject same-sex marriage all they want.
Many will also state that same sex marriages should not be allowed because the marriage cannot produce children. My wife and I are married. We were married at the courthouse as we reject organized religion. We cannot have any more children. Should the state have prevented our marriage since we could not produce children? You can't have it both ways, you either need to limit marriage to those couples that are going to reproduce or allow any two consenting adults to marry.
We are not talking about granting any one “special rights”. Allowing same-sex marriage does not take anything away from anyone. The fact that some believe that it offends the majority does not change that it is the right thing to do. At one time letting blacks get married offended the majority. Luckily we learned to be better human beings and got past the hate.
God asks that his followers respect the governance of them.
Our Government is powered by the people in majority, but was given specific framework to prevent the government from getting in the way of the beliefs of its citizens.
Our government has no authority to prevent persons from coupling.
Christian's can continue to bring others to Christ and convert them, gain the majority, and persuade, but God would not force others to be like Christians. That must be left to free will.
You will not win the argument if his opinion is based off of religion. The best is to agree to disagree, because no matter how many valid points you bring up, he will never acknowledge your point. Not saying that your dad is a bad guy, but people who are against gay marriage for religious beliefs see the whole picture in black and white, and forget that the gray area exists.
You cannot argue successfully against someone who is correct. So call him names. This is always a great liberal tactic. Call him a intolerant, bigoted, homophobe.
No.
Most sensible Gay people don't want to be married anyways.
I have a friend who is an old school Lesbian. She said that marriage is a Hetero term and this current Gay Marriage movement is not helping the Gay community as a whole.
VOTE RU PAUL 2008!
If he keeps winning arguments, the answer is don't argue - just ignore him.
Good luck on undoing all that brainwashing.
People are born gay or straight. It's not something they choose. Gay people have the same right to happiness as straight people.
Although these are the facts, I doubt it will have much impact, especially if his beliefs are based on religion.
Just agree to disagree.
Point out how happy VP Cheney's daughter is in her lesbian relationship.
If gay marriage is allowed...how about if 3,4,5 or more people want to marry each other. Is that okay as well. If you say its not...how do you justify that restriction. Aren't you then imposing your beliefs on what type of relationship should be recognized by the government?
Marriage is between a man and a women and should be encouraged by a society as it encourages children by its very nature. Married couples with or without children tend to be more financially stable than those of single parents. I would not oppose civil unions if that is what a state wants to do but marriage is and should always be between a man and a women. Just my opinion.
You can appeal to emotion...
One of my friend's dads was in a committed long-term relationship with someone of the same-sex. They had been together for years but had no legal connections.
When he was in the hospital, dying rapidly of cancer, only family was admitted to visit him. The man he had loved and lived with for years never got to say goodbye.
Just focus on the practical benefits of marriage as opposed to its spiritual nature. Compare it to other forms of contract law.
Read Leviticus Chapter 20, please
If your dad was not allowed to marry your mom how would he feel the government can make that decision for him. The heart wants what it wants, and the government should not interfer with our private lives.
You will never convience him that its right. If he is strong in his beliefs he will not falter on his ideas of being moral! A true Christian (in my eyes) is not one the condems the gay community, yet does not believe that our sacred vow of Marriage should be altered to conform to them. I, personally, believe that God does love everyone, even the gays...but I do not want to see the wedding vows given to gay people. They can use a ';commitment'; ceremony to seal the deal....Marriage was defined as being b/t one man and one woman. You will never change your fathers beliefs as I also doubt he will change yours. You should just agree to disagree...sometime I have to do that w/ my father!!
Better Yet
how about we help your dad Convince you that their is something wrong with Gay marriage!!
If a man also lie with man, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus, Chapter 20, Verse 13
Homosexuality is not a God given right. It is a sinful lifestyle and should not be treated as an acceptable choice. The American Psyhiatric Association are the ones who began to give it legitimacy. But who are they. Are they gay people? Who are they accountable to? There is no historical support for homosexuality. It is a destructive lifestyle. It is already breaking down the unity of our country. Quit defending it and listen to your father's advice. he loves you. The gays don't. They want to rape children and have sex with animals. They cannot provide the leadership this nation provides.
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